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14 <H1>AW: AW: AW: [IRCServices] Backup databases?</H1>
15 <B>Craig McLure</B>
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19 <I>Wed Nov 14 23:30:00 PST 2001</I>
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34 <PRE>on the network i was on before e-tidalwave, their main hub had a 400+ day
35 uptime. The box wasnt tounched, so all i data (services, backup conf files
36 etc) was *ALL* on there, and we eventually forgot about backups and deleted
37 old ones.
38 5 days later (grrrrrrrr) the box went down. It started smoking, and
39 everything was lost including the machine.
40
41 now if backups can be automated *THRU* services, it will save the hastle of
42 this. cron jobs are good, but some boxes dont support them.
43
44 --
45 Craig McLure
46 <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">Craig at e-tidalwave.org</A>
47 WaveAdmin on the e-tidalwave IRC Network
48 Ride the Wave! www.e-tidalwave.org
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51
52 &gt;<i>From: Duane Groth &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">duane at groth.net</A>&gt;
53 </I>&gt;<i>Reply-To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
54 </I>&gt;<i>To: Josh &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>&gt;
55 </I>&gt;<i>Subject: Re[2]: AW: AW: AW: [IRCServices] Backup databases?
56 </I>&gt;<i>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:59:45 +1100
57 </I>&gt;<i>
58 </I>&gt;<i>Hello Josh,
59 </I>&gt;<i>
60 </I>&gt;<i>Yes that's all good and well, but that is like having your head in the
61 </I>&gt;<i>sand thinking nothing will ever happen, the server I do have them on
62 </I>&gt;<i>currently has 100 days approx, last reboot was due to kernel upgrade,
63 </I>&gt;<i>I'm merely preparing for the worst, in the event something will
64 </I>&gt;<i>happen, I've been an ISP admin, and server admin too long to know
65 </I>&gt;<i>better then to be naive about it all.
66 </I>&gt;<i>
67 </I>&gt;<i>--
68 </I>&gt;<i>Best regards,
69 </I>&gt;<i> Duane mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">duane at groth.net</A>
70 </I>&gt;<i>
71 </I>&gt;<i>Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 11:51:10 PM, you wrote:
72 </I>&gt;<i>
73 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; On 14 Nov 2001, at 7:58, Duane Groth wrote:
74 </I>&gt;<i>
75 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; Its easier having 1 set of services on a really stable box that never
76 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; goes down.. but thats only possible if you only have a few or just
77 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; yourself knowing the ip to the hub and keep it that way by only
78 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; adding c/n's to a couple other hubs and never link client servers
79 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; directly to it. we have this setup on my net and it works well.
80 </I>&gt;<i>
81 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; (services hub ircd:)
82 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; Server Up 169 days, 11:23:14
83 </I>&gt;<i>
84 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello Georges,
85 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
86 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As I said originally, I would like to see this feature purely for a
87 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; redundancy point of view, as I have a reasonably setup IRC network,
88 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the DNS probes the IRC servers and removes dead server
89 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; automatically, I have the IRC servers each setup with multiple hubs,
90 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; so in the event of any one hub dying there is redundancy to keep the
91 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; network together, however I am unable to think of a suitable way of
92 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; making services redundant, and in the event of failure of the
93 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; primary server that it's linking into the network with, for whatever
94 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason, a secondary will kick in, with read only, so that people can
95 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; authenticate, but not change details, this is the only single point
96 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of failure on my network that requires manual intervention.
97 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
98 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
99 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Best regards,
100 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Duane mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">duane at groth.net</A>
101 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
102 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 7:45:01 AM, you wrote:
103 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
104 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; I like the idea of managing nicks through the browser, which is
105 </I>&gt;<i>very much
106 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; more intuitive for many users who have no knowledge about IRC and
107 </I>&gt;<i>only know
108 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; that they can type text into their client.
109 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; It is really intresting for very small networks who pretend to have
110 </I>&gt;<i>a
111 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; 'community'. People will be able to share much more information
112 </I>&gt;<i>when
113 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; registering their nick on the web. This registration can be passed
114 </I>&gt;<i>on to
115 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; nickserv who uses the same information than in the Userinfo
116 </I>&gt;<i>Database on the
117 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; web.
118 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; People will even be able to change their IRC-Settings in their
119 </I>&gt;<i>browser.
120 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
121 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; It took me quite a number of hours to hack something like this into
122 </I>&gt;<i>services
123 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; though, so I would appreciate if there was a possibility (i.e.
124 </I>&gt;<i>interface) to
125 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; re-organise all this and make it a little more structured.
126 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
127 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Georges
128 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
129 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
130 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
131 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>]Im Auftrag von Craig
132 </I>&gt;<i>McLure
133 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. November 2001 21:28
134 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
135 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Betreff: RE: AW: AW: [IRCServices] Backup databases?
136 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
137 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
138 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Lol..
139 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; MySQL, does that mean ppl will be able to reg nicks and manage
140 </I>&gt;<i>nicks in
141 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; their web browser?
142 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Interesting concept :P
143 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; But wouldn't that mean pw encryption?
144 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
145 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; -----Original Message-----
146 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; From: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
147 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>] On Behalf Of Duane
148 </I>&gt;<i>Groth
149 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Sent: 13 November 2001 20:08
150 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
151 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Subject: Re: AW: AW: [IRCServices] Backup databases?
152 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
153 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Hello,
154 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
155 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; No, but have the option of choosing MySQL for database, or using
156 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; it's own flat file format, the side benefit from this would be
157 </I>&gt;<i>easier
158 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; web interfaces with PHP and the like, this unlike some simple
159 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; scripting has to be done in services itself. You should be using
160 </I>&gt;<i>scp
161 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; or
162 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; similar for the remote archiving anyway, if you employ RSA/DSA
163 </I>&gt;<i>keys
164 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; it's 1000x more secure, not to mention easier to script, hell you
165 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; can even setup your remote script to trigger tar/bzip, then the
166 </I>&gt;<i>next
167 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; line to scp it off, so that you don't need to have 2 cron
168 </I>&gt;<i>processes
169 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; going.
170 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
171 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; --
172 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Best regards,
173 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Duane mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">duane at groth.net</A>
174 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
175 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; Wednesday, November 14, 2001, 6:58:11 AM, you wrote:
176 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
177 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt;&gt; Re,
178 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
179 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt;&gt; well, MySQL support is nice, but not really suitable for everybody
180 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; (e.g.
181 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt;&gt; users that don't have a MySQL account). The FTP-Upload thing would
182 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; probably
183 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt;&gt; do the job for most people.
184 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
185 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GB&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------
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203 </I>&gt;<i>
204 </I>&gt;<i>
205 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; -------------------------------------
206 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; -- Josh Kirkorian [aka Poison-X]
207 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; -- Administrator - irc.insiderz.net
208 </I>&gt;<i>
209 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; C Code. C code run. Run, code, run...
210 </I>&gt;<i>J&gt; Segmentation fault (core dumped).. aww shit
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