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  15     <B>Nick Gawronski</B>
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  19     <I>Wed May 16 19:08:17 PDT 2007</I>
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  34 <PRE>Hi, It would be a nice thing just to remove the old version 4 database
  35 support as with xml export import features there is really no need for
  36 version 4 support.  For now it is a nice thing to have for users who
  37 might want to still use the databases but really sometime soon it should
  38 be removed.  Another thing I noticed is when I used the -export option
  39 and I already had another copy of services running it tried to start the
  40 httpd module and exitted with the bind error address already in use.  I
  41 had to shutdown services, export the databases then restart version 5.0
  42 again.  It would be nice if the -export or -import is given services
  43 would just check and not load all of the modules just the ones for xml
  44 export and or import so the already runing copy would not need to be
  45 shutdown.On Thu, 17 May 2007, Andrew Church wrote:
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  47 &gt;<i> &gt;Hi, One thing I noticed is that the forceload option could be just added
  48 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;into the main code rather then an option.  If services sees corruption in
  49 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;the databases it could just automatically load what ever it can understand
  50 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;and ignore the rest of the database.  This would also help when restarting
  51 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;ircservices as if no one is at the system or needs to restart ircservices
  52 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;it could take care of the databases itself rather then needing to login to
  53 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;the system and run a binary.  I could see this useful for ircops who don't
  54 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;normally have access directly to the system where ircservices is running
  55 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;but if they saw a need to restart ircservices they could do so with out
  56 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;needing to contact the admin of the server if a database would not load
  57 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;and services would not start.
  58 </I>&gt;<i>
  59 </I>&gt;<i>      The problem with this (and the reason -forceload is not the default
  60 </I>&gt;<i> in the first place) is that if some part of the database is corrupt,
  61 </I>&gt;<i> there's no telling how bad the situation is.  In the worst case, Services
  62 </I>&gt;<i> could be unable to load any data, then overwrite your database files with
  63 </I>&gt;<i> empty databases, destroying any chance you had of retrieving the data via
  64 </I>&gt;<i> other means (such as writing a program to extract the data).
  65 </I>&gt;<i>
  66 </I>&gt;<i>      In any case, -forceload is only supported for the database/version4
  67 </I>&gt;<i> module, and there only for certain databases (a corrupt oper.db, for
  68 </I>&gt;<i> example, will cause Services to abort whether -forceload is given or not).
  69 </I>&gt;<i> Moreover, due to the format of those database files, it's unlikely you'd
  70 </I>&gt;<i> be able to recover any data anyway under most circumstances.  I probably
  71 </I>&gt;<i> ought to just get rid of the option entirely.
  72 </I>&gt;<i>
  73 </I>&gt;<i>   --Andrew Church
  74 </I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="http://lists.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">achurch at achurch.org</A>
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