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15 <B>Andrew Kempe</B>
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17 TITLE="[IRCServices] ircservices with hybrid">andrewk at isdial.net
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19 <I>Tue May 6 09:08:40 PDT 2003</I>
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34 <PRE>An afterthought....
35
36 You may want to consider how your network is architected and how your
37 servers and services are configured. You may find that by disabling a
38 certain features (such as those in custom versions of Services that allow
39 the pseudo-clients to join channels), you'll reduce your inter-server
40 traffic.
41
42 If you have frequent netsplits, change your routing to prevent the huge cost
43 of server-resyncs.
44
45 If you have many servers, get rid of a few in an effort to keep inter-server
46 communication for channels messages to a minimum. Fewer servers also means
47 fewer netsplits. If you can't avoid netsplits, get hold of an ircd that is
48 friendly when it comes to syncing the network - such as those that use SJOIN
49 rather than individual JOINS for each client or those that use tokens
50 instead of full SERVER&lt;-&gt;SERVER commands. There are a number of ircds that
51 are compatible with IRC Services and employ these bandwidth saving
52 techniques.
53
54 Andrew
55
56 ----- Original Message -----
57 From: &quot;Nessun&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">Nessun at rizon.net</A>&gt;
58 To: &quot;IRC Services General Mailing List&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>&gt;
59 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:27 PM
60 Subject: Re: [IRCServices] ircservices with hybrid
61
62
63 &gt;<i> on the bandwidth a 1000 user client server is pushing 600 gigs a month
64 </I>very
65 &gt;<i> abnormal for us i ran a net before and was pushing 200-300gigs a month on
66 </I>a
67 &gt;<i> 2000 user client server both being warez nets. we have tested hybrid to
68 </I>use
69 &gt;<i> literally 1/3 the bandwidth for us then viagra ircd(a bug fixed titan
70 </I>ircd).
71 &gt;<i> and we 2 coders taht are extremly good at coding hybrid ircd and epona
72 </I>&gt;<i> problem is my epona coder is too busy atm and hybrid coder trying to do
73 </I>both
74 &gt;<i>
75 </I>&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
76 </I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;CPUMAN&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">cpuman2000 at hotmail.com</A>&gt;
77 </I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;IRC Services General Mailing List&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>&gt;
78 </I>&gt;<i> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:35 AM
79 </I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [IRCServices] ircservices with hybrid
80 </I>&gt;<i>
81 </I>&gt;<i>
82 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yah I'd have to agree with David on that. A 4,000-5,000 user network
83 </I>&gt;<i> simply
84 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; is going to use a good amount of bandwidth. Changing IRCds would make a
85 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; minute bandwidth improvement at best. That is unless your current IRCd
86 </I>is
87 &gt;<i> so
88 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; unbelievably inefficient that it's wasteful with bandwidth, which is
89 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; unlikely.
90 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
91 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; As for converting a database it's fairly straight forward I don't
92 </I>remember
93 &gt;<i> &gt; the exact details on how to do it atm as I'm about brain dead atm (sleep
94 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; deprivation :P).
95 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
96 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't recommend you continue trying to hack Epona, unless you and your
97 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; staff really know what your doing. I've seen some horrific sites of
98 </I>people
99 &gt;<i> &gt; modifying services programs and them crashing on an hourly basis.
100 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
101 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; CPUMAN
102 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Serenia IRC Network
103 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; irc.serenia.net
104 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
105 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Original Message -----
106 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; From: &quot;Ballsy&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ballsy at mystical.net</A>&gt;
107 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: &quot;IRC Services General Mailing List&quot; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>&gt;
108 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:08 PM
109 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Subject: Re: [IRCServices] ircservices with hybrid
110 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
111 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
112 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Do you think changing your IRCd will really decrease your
113 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; bandwidth utilisation an appreciable amount ? Granted, I haven't
114 </I>tested
115 &gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the differences in b/w utilization across different IRCds, but I would
116 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; guess that the main difference you'll see is in CPU and memory usage.
117 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
118 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; David
119 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
120 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
121 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Quoth Nessun on May 6 at 01:44,
122 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
123 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; hi i run a net about 4000-5000 users and plan to expand as soon as I
124 </I>&gt;<i> can
125 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; change ircd as the one im using is eatcing up excess bandwidth. My plans
126 </I>&gt;<i> are
127 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; to change to hybrid which since epona(our current services) doesnt
128 </I>support
129 &gt;<i> &gt; hybrid this obviously brings up an issue. I am looking for 1 of 2
130 </I>options.
131 &gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
132 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 1st would be the best u could help me by knowing someone who has
133 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; ircservices working with hybrid or would be willing to assist us with it
134 </I>&gt;<i> and
135 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; we could convert our database to ircservices
136 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
137 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 2. we continue our efforts to mod epona and hybrid to link up with
138 </I>one
139 &gt;<i> &gt; another.
140 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
141 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 3 is going ok but at this rate taking much too long than needed. Our
142 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; servers are using about 1 months worth of bandwidth in 20 days so we are
143 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; forced to either shut them off or pay serious overages. So the decision
144 </I>we
145 &gt;<i> &gt; make must be expediant.
146 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
147 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Any assist u can give me with this will be very very appreciated. I
148 </I>&gt;<i> ask
149 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; that u please email me back even if its to say you dont have the time i
150 </I>&gt;<i> will
151 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; understand but prefer to hear that then wait for ever on nothing.
152 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
153 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Thank you in advance
154 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
155 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Irc.Rizon.Net
156 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Net Admin
157 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Nessun
158 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
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