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  15     <B>Trevor Talbot</B>
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  19     <I>Tue Apr 15 20:50:42 PDT 2003</I>
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  34 <PRE>On Tuesday, Apr 15, 2003, at 18:16 US/Pacific, Ian R. Justman wrote:
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  36 &gt;<i> Finny Merrill wrote:
  37 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:43:56 +0200, Dylan v.d Merwe
  38 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">dylanvdm at icon.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
  39 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The days have long passed when services used to act like bots and
  40 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sit in
  41 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> channels. It is now against the irc protocol to allow this,
  42 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> therefore it
  43 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> does not happen nor can you set them to do so in the config file.
  44 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
  45 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can force services into a channel using RAW commands but this is
  46 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> highly
  47 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discouraged as all sorts of things can go wrong. Leave them where
  48 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they are,
  49 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you'll be just fine.
  50 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
  51 </I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dylan.
  52 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whoa, when did it become against the irc protocol to do this? And
  53 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> which
  54 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> irc protocol anyway? :p
  55 </I>&gt;<i>
  56 </I>&gt;<i> Best thing I can gather is RFC 2813 section 2.2.2 which reads as
  57 </I>&gt;<i> follows:
  58 </I>
  59 irc2's concept of a &quot;service&quot; is rather different from the concept of
  60 a service most people on this list are used to.  In irc2, it's a special
  61 connection, neither client nor server.  Methods for addressing it are
  62 also different.
  63
  64 That might be what Dylan was referring to, but it doesn't apply to
  65 IRCServices.
  66
  67 &gt;<i> Though also, I've seen Hybserv's Services' nicks join channels on two
  68 </I>&gt;<i> different
  69 </I>&gt;<i> Hybrid/Hybserv networks.  I don't entirely see the point of that
  70 </I>&gt;<i> myself.
  71 </I>
  72 Classic hybrid requires a client to be in the channel to actually
  73 complete
  74 actions such as topic changes.  It's born from way too many backwards-
  75 compatibility requirements...
  76
  77 -- Quension
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