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  15     <B>Ian R. Justman</B>
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  19     <I>Tue Apr 15 18:16:37 PDT 2003</I>
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  36 Finny Merrill wrote:
  37 &gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:43:56 +0200, Dylan v.d Merwe
  38 </I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">dylanvdm at icon.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
  39 </I>&gt;<i>
  40 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> The days have long passed when services used to act like bots and sit in
  41 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> channels. It is now against the irc protocol to allow this, therefore it
  42 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> does not happen nor can you set them to do so in the config file.
  43 </I>&gt;&gt;<i>
  44 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can force services into a channel using RAW commands but this is
  45 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> highly
  46 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> discouraged as all sorts of things can go wrong. Leave them where they
  47 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> are,
  48 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> you'll be just fine.
  49 </I>&gt;&gt;<i>
  50 </I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dylan.
  51 </I>&gt;<i> Whoa, when did it become against the irc protocol to do this? And which
  52 </I>&gt;<i> irc protocol anyway? :p
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  54 Best thing I can gather is RFC 2813 section 2.2.2 which reads as follows:
  55
  56 2.2.2 Services
  57
  58     Each service is distinguished from other services by a service name
  59     composed of a nickname and a server name.  The nickname has a maximum
  60     length of nine (9) characters.  See the protocol grammar rules
  61     (section 3.3.1) for what may and may not be used in a nickname.  The
  62     server name used to compose the service name is the name of the
  63     server to which the service is connected.  In addition to this
  64     service name all servers MUST know the service type.
  65
  66     Services differ from users by the format of their identifier, but
  67     more importantly services and users don't have the same type of
  68     access to the server: services can request part or all of the global
  69     state information that a server maintains, but have a more restricted
  70     set of commands available to them (See &quot;IRC Client Protocol&quot; [IRC-
  71     CLIENT] for details on which) and are not allowed to join channels.
  72     Finally services are not usually subject to the &quot;Flood control&quot;
  73     mechanism described in section 5.8.
  74
  75 But then again, Andy does not recognize the IRCnet RFCs (which is what I
  76 call them since these documents were written by an IRCnet staffer) as being
  77 official, so...
  78
  79 Though also, I've seen Hybserv's Services' nicks join channels on two
  80 different Hybrid/Hybserv networks.  I don't entirely see the point of that
  81 myself.
  82
  83 --Ian R. Justman, Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network.
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