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  15     <B>quension at softhome.net</B>
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  34 <PRE>&gt;<i> Firstly it's very rude to blame Chris for what is infact the mailing list
  35 </I>&gt;<i> administrator's fault for badly configuring the mailing list software.
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  37 Without intending to personally insult or otherwise anger anyone this
  38 time around, I still insist this is a client issue.  Yes, Andrew could
  39 reconfigure the list software as a workaround, but that doesn't detract
  40 from the client's responsibility.
  41
  42 I attempted to make a point last time about this, but I wasn't very
  43 clear.  I also went off on a tangent by saying &quot;Reply-To field is always
  44 <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>&quot;, which besides being wrong, was
  45 largely irrelevant.  Doh.  So, here's another go at it.  This time I'm
  46 digging up RFC822, which AFAIK is the current standard for internet text
  47 messages.
  48
  49 Select quotes from 4.4.4. &quot;AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO&quot;:
  50
  51         For systems which automatically  generate  address  lists  for
  52         replies to messages, the following recommendations are made:
  53 [...]
  54             o   If the &quot;Reply-To&quot; field exists, then the reply  should
  55                 go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to
  56                 the address(es) indicated in the &quot;From&quot; field.
  57 [...]
  58         This recommendation is intended  only  for  automated  use  of
  59         originator-fields  and is not intended to suggest that replies
  60         may not also be sent to other recipients of messages.   It  is
  61         up  to  the  respective  mail-handling programs to decide what
  62         additional facilities will be provided.
  63
  64 Yes, I realize the last part clearly states it's only a
  65 recommendation... but recommendations are not made without reason.
  66
  67 Okay, so that explains &quot;Reply-To&quot; vs. &quot;From&quot;.  But, I don't think that's
  68 the issue here, since &quot;From&quot; is usually (I'm not going to say &quot;always&quot;
  69 ;) the address of the actual person who sent the message.  So where is
  70 the second mailing list address coming from?
  71 Relevant headers from message
  72 &lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;msg00913.html&quot;&gt;001701c037af$60b12340$<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">0100a8c0 at excaliburnetworks.com</A>&lt;/A&gt;&gt;:
  73
  74    To:       &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at Snow.shadowfire.org</A>&gt;
  75    Reply-To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
  76
  77 Aha, so we have two different mailing list addresses.  Considering most
  78 people are replying, the only field that needs to be considered is
  79 &quot;Reply-To&quot;.  This is where I loudly insist the client is at fault.
  80 Reply does NOT mean &quot;broadcast to everyone who may have ever seen this
  81 message on Earth&quot;.  Reply means &quot;send response back to originator&quot;.  As
  82 per RFC822, the &quot;Reply-To&quot; field is to be used in this case.  The RFC
  83 even backs me up on this in its wording: &quot;For systems which
  84 automatically generate address lists for *REPLIES* to messages ...&quot;
  85 (emphasis added).
  86
  87 Another note, in regard to my client, Netscape Messenger 4.74:  I have
  88 two buttons to choose from when replying to messages: &quot;Reply to sender
  89 only&quot; and &quot;Reply to sender and all recipients&quot;.  For the message with
  90 the headers I displayed above, the first one generates a message
  91 template with a single &quot;To&quot; line, containing
  92 &quot;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>&quot;.  The second button generates a
  93 message template with multiple &quot;To&quot; addresses:
  94 &quot;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>&quot; and
  95 &quot;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at Snow.shadowfire.org</A>&quot;.  That may be useful in some cases,
  96 but certainly not here.
  97
  98 The solution to the above issue?  Configure the client to behave
  99 properly, or ditch it and get a better one.
 100
 101 Again, this isn't intended to be a personal attack on anyone; merely an
 102 observation (OK, an _opinionated_ observation) that some mail clients
 103 just do stupid things.
 104
 105 -- Quension
 106
 107 P.S.  Did I make my point clearer this time? ;)
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