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  15     <B>Jonathan Morton</B>
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  34 <PRE>&gt;<i>As far as I am informed, services does place an akill, but, an akill is not
  35 </I>&gt;<i>activated until the next user matching an autokill connects the network.
  36 </I>&gt;<i>Therefore, there is always enough time to erase an autokill, I think.
  37 </I>&gt;<i>
  38 </I>&gt;<i>If you think, that there might be an irc operator, who accidentally
  39 </I>&gt;<i>&quot;removes&quot; a
  40 </I>&gt;<i>services administrator by doing an autokill AND forcably killing this
  41 </I>&gt;<i>person, so that
  42 </I>&gt;<i>he/she has to reconnect, then I would say, that you ought to check, whom you
  43 </I>&gt;<i>are making
  44 </I>&gt;<i>an irc operator.
  45 </I>&gt;<i>
  46 </I>&gt;<i>And, additionally, if you move the akill.db somewhere else, services of
  47 </I>&gt;<i>course
  48 </I>&gt;<i>would start with an empty akill database, which, also would be a solution.
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  50 What happens if Services is started _after_ the admin is online?  Does it
  51 not check who is online at the moment it starts up?  Simply moving the
  52 akill.db is practically the same as deleting it, IMHO, as it can't be
  53 merged in while services is running, and it can't be edited without being
  54 connected to an IRC server with Services attached.
  55
  56 A workaround might be to move the akill.db to a small Linux box running
  57 Services and an ircd, and connect using &quot;localhost&quot; to avoid the ISP-based
  58 AKILL.  Then the db can be edited safely, and moved back to the main server
  59 when all is well.  The admin _should_ have telnet access to their server
  60 anyway, and it's easy to install a basic IRC client such as ircII on
  61 something standard enough to run an ircd and Services, so it might not even
  62 be necessary to bring down the server or services, provided the admin has
  63 rights to _be_ the admin from localhost and no AKILL has been set on same.
  64 Of course, if an AKILL has been set up on localhost and every other ISP
  65 that the admin has rights from (and an account on) then you're screwed
  66 anyway and will have to trash the akill.db (and preferably that lamer who
  67 set up the bans in the first place).
  68
  69 Perhaps an editor for the databases, that is independant of the IRC
  70 protocols, would be a good idea?  Since I assume the db's are in a
  71 simple(?) flat-file format, it shouldn't be too hard to generate such an
  72 editor, especially if source is culled from Services itself.  Such an
  73 editor could even eventually be made capable of partially fixing corrupted
  74 databases, for those advanced users who know what they're doing (yes, we've
  75 had a corrupt database before, we lost 2/3rds of the nick registrations and
  76 correspondingly about 1/2 the channels disappeared with them).
  77
  78 Also, it might be an idea to introduce &quot;exception-bans&quot; in the style of the
  79 +e channel-mode and the e:line in ircd.conf.  Setting an Exception on the
  80 admin staff (as a minimum) would make it impossible for such lame acivity
  81 to happen in the first place.  It's also handy for if you have just _one_
  82 un-lame regular user from a lamerz' ISP, then you can set an exception on
  83 him and AKILL the rest of the ISP.  It's always annoying when you have a
  84 lame ISP but one of your friends uses it.
  85
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  87 from:     Jonathan &quot;Chromatix&quot; Morton
  88 mail:     <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">chromi at cyberspace.org</A>  (not for attachments)
  89 uni-mail: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">j.d.morton at lancaster.ac.uk</A>
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