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19 <I>Fri Dec
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35 ah well, at least you're not lara... she was much worse on her mailing
38 lucas, if you code botserv, i know of about a million people who would
41 On Fri, Dec
13,
2002 at
07:
17:
25PM +
0900, Andrew Church wrote:
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><i> From:
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</A> (Andrew Church)
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><i> To:
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><i> Subject: Re: [IRCServices Coding] contributing to ircservices : legal and coding standards problems
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><i> Date: Fri,
13 Dec
2002 19:
17:
25 JST
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><i> Short answer: don't send me code (and see FAQ Z
.8).
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><i> Long answer:
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><i> >1/ While developping a complex module such as botserv, I'll probably
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><i> >come accross things like missing callbacks, etc. I haven't started
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><i> >coding, but it seems there's no callback for messages sent to a channel.
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><i> >(I'm not sure of the m_privmsg callback not ignoring channel privmsgs).
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><i> >So I'll probably have to modify things in ircservices. Since my
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><i> >module(s) would be distributed under the GPL (I'm not even part of the
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><i> >team of any network), I have
3 solutions :
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><i> Alternatively, you could suggest to me
"I need a callback to do X
",
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><i> and I'd probably add it, or at least tell you an alternative way to do it.
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><i> >"Furthermore, any submissions of modules, code, documentation, or any
67 </I>|
><i> >your situation.)
"
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><i> >a. this is against french law, and probably laws from many other
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><i> >countries : some rights of the author can't be given to someone else.
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><i> I can't say anything about other countries' laws. If this ever
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><i> becomes a factual problem I'll deal with it at that time.
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><i> >b. this is against the free software idea.
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><i> There is no such thing as
"the free software idea
". There are a whole
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><i> bunch of
"free software ideas
"; I don't necessarily agree with all of them.
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><i> I go into some discussion of this in question Z
.8 in the FAQ.
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><i> >c. if I code sthing, then contribute it to ircservices, I would no
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><i> >longer be the author of this, so I couldn't, for example, include it in
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><i> >a commercial product I distribute.
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><i> This is true.
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><i> >I don't understand why this clause is needed. There's no risk with
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><i> >including GPLed code or FDLed documentation in a project, since neither
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><i> >the GPL nor the FDL can be revoked. Could you please explain ?
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><i> That clause was originally used for translations, which I feel I have
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><i> every right to claim ownership for (and at least US and Japanese copyright
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><i> law guarantee this, IIRC). I extended it to cover all code just to make my
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><i> life simpler, so that I don't have to worry about who owns what code and
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><i> contributed it under what conditions, and also to cover my back in case
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><i> some crackpot tries to claim rights to my code, as happened once before.
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><i> (Look at docs/copyright.html, among other places, and note that I
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><i> specifically state
"version
2" of the GPL, not the
"version
2 or any later
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><i> version
" that most people use--I might not be able to include such code in
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><i> Services due to the difference in licensing terms.)
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><i> In reality, it makes very little difference, as I almost never include
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><i> code people send me
"as-is
"--I rewrite it myself. The reasoning for this
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><i> is explained more fully in question Z
.8 in the FAQ.
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><i> >2/ Coding standards (section
6.4)
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><i> >I understand your identifier naming conventions. But there's no need for
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><i> >Formatting conventions. What about using GNU indent, which is highly
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><i> >configurable, and provide a .indent.pro file for ircservices, so that
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><i> >everyone can submit code that matches your very own formatting
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><i> >conventions ?
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><i> I can do indenting fine on my own and have no need or desire to use a
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><i> tool to do it. If you can't format your code like mine (and you should
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><i> always match the existing style when you modify a program), then I don't
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><i> want to see your code.
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><i> --Andrew Church
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><i> <A HREF=
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127 ill try to be less cynical when you try to be less stupid.
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