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  15     <B>Mark Hetherington</B>
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  17        TITLE="[IRCServices Coding] Services 5">mark at mhetherington.demon.co.uk
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  19     <I>Thu Dec 13 14:42:45 PST 2001</I>
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  34 <PRE>Firstly, thanks to Andrew for releasing the alpha version. Hopefully he will
  35 not feel that he has to later remove this opportunity.
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  37 A few early questions that maybe Andrew or the Alpha team might be able to
  38 comment on.
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  40 1) Do we have any idea on time scale for development beyond alpha? I
  41 understand that it is a difficult question to answer given RL committments
  42 but based on work so far and this extended open test hopefully highlighting
  43 major issues quite quickly, might make it easier to provide an estimate.
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  45 2) Despite the warning not to run the alpha on a production network, it does
  46 seem to be the best place to run it since it will give a much more realistic
  47 test of the code. It is also very tempting to upgrade :) To this end, are
  48 there specific known issues at this time with the current build that would
  49 make it completely impractical to run on a small production network? The
  50 &quot;knownbugs&quot; file does not seem to have anything specific to Services 5 and
  51 nothing serious mentioned either way but those who have already had chance
  52 to play with Services 5 may have a good idea of things that would make it
  53 unsuitable for risking in a production environment.
  54
  55 3) At present we seem to be restricted to the mailing list for bug reporting
  56 and discussion which makes the process qyute closed. Has there been any
  57 thought given to providing some kind of online tracking system which would
  58 both show what bugs are currently known and their status? Maybe something on
  59 sourceforge or similar system would suffice.
  60
  61 4) I was wondering about the reasons for AJOIN being included in Services 5.
  62 It seems to place an overhead on NickServ that has been handled by many IRC
  63 clients for a number of years. Even clients which do not specifically
  64 support it, but that implement perform can easily provide AJOIN
  65 functionality. Any client supporting scripting could easily manage an AJOIN
  66 list. A number of clients support dynamic AJOIN lists by offering to
  67 remember hannels that a user uses on a regular basis.
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  69 Since part of the ethos behind IRC Services development is not to perform
  70 tasks that really belong in IRCd or in clients or could be scripted, it
  71 seems odd that firstly this system has been implemented and secondly it is
  72 enabled in a default configuration.
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  74 Is there something specific that I am missing about this services managed
  75 auto join list which makes it preferable to the existing client code which
  76 already performs this task?
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  79 Anyway, back to play around with the source some more.
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  81 Mark.
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