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  17     <B>Craig McLure</B>
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  20         even    get it to build on OSX 10.3.8)">Craig at frostycoolslug.com
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  22     <I>Thu Feb 17 06:26:20 PST 2005</I>
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  38 <PRE>Thanks for the copy of this, sorry if i over reacted on the list
  39 earlier, it just gets frustrating sometimes, he wasnt willing to post
  40 anything interesting, except 'Screw you all, it doesnt work, you all
  41 suck' (Not quite like that, but that was the general idea). I promised
  42 to take a 'back seat' with regards to services, but with that mail, i
  43 felt i had to speak out. Sorry again.
  44
  45 /****************************************
  46  *     Craig &quot;FrostyCoolSlug&quot; McLure
  47  *       <A HREF="http://lists.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">Craig at FrostyCoolSlug.com</A>
  48  * InspIRCd   - <A HREF="http://www.inspircd.org">http://www.inspircd.org</A>
  49  * ChatSpike  - <A HREF="http://www.chatspike.net">http://www.chatspike.net</A>
  50  ****************************************/
  51
  52 Andrew Church wrote:
  53 &gt;<i> [This is a copy of the message I sent to David M in response to his private
  54 </I>&gt;<i>  message to me.  I will not post that message, as doing so would violate
  55 </I>&gt;<i>  etiquette, but I feel it important to make my thoughts on Services
  56 </I>&gt;<i>  development known, for the benefit of others who may have similar
  57 </I>&gt;<i>  concerns.  I have elided portions of my message irrelevant to that topic.]
  58 </I>&gt;<i>
  59 </I>&gt;<i>      [...]  From my viewpoint (subjective, certainly, but everyone's
  60 </I>&gt;<i> viewpoint is subjective by definition), you have accused me of carelessness
  61 </I>&gt;<i> without taking the time to fully understand the issues involved.  Despite
  62 </I>&gt;<i> the fact that IRC Services is merely a free-time project of mine, I have
  63 </I>&gt;<i> taken considerable care to ensure that it is compliant with modern
  64 </I>&gt;<i> standards, as described in section 2-1 of the manual, and I try to ensure
  65 </I>&gt;<i> that it will compile and run on commonly used operating systems.  However,
  66 </I>&gt;<i> I lack both the time and the resources to check its behavior in all
  67 </I>&gt;<i> environments--in fact, all I have at my disposal is one computer which can
  68 </I>&gt;<i> run either Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or Windows.  As a result, I have to
  69 </I>&gt;<i> rely on reports from users to resolve any problems on other systems.
  70 </I>&gt;<i>
  71 </I>&gt;<i>      I had hoped my previous message had demonstrated that I was quite
  72 </I>&gt;<i> willing to admit my error, but it regrettably seems that that is not the
  73 </I>&gt;<i> case.  Nonetheless, I am still open to receiving any information you wish
  74 </I>&gt;<i> to provide regarding your problem.
  75 </I>&gt;<i>
  76 </I>&gt;<i>      It is true that I have deliberately removed support for older
  77 </I>&gt;<i> compilation tools from IRC Services, and I will continue to do so in the
  78 </I>&gt;<i> future as those tools evolve.  However, this is not due to carelessness; on
  79 </I>&gt;<i> the contrary, it is the result of efforts to clean up the source code and
  80 </I>&gt;<i> bring it in line with a single standard.  As I mentioned earlier, Services
  81 </I>&gt;<i> is only a free-time project of mine, and I simply cannot spare the effort
  82 </I>&gt;<i> to support multiple versions of development tools.  If perhaps I am
  83 </I>&gt;<i> adopting new standards faster than commercial OS vendors do, it is
  84 </I>&gt;<i> certainly not out of malice or spite, but as I am distributing this program
  85 </I>&gt;<i> (which is the result of nearly nine years of work--perhaps you are not
  86 </I>&gt;<i> aware, but Anope itself is a second-generation derivative of IRC Services
  87 </I>&gt;<i> 4.3) free of monetary charge, I do feel entitled to ask that users of the
  88 </I>&gt;<i> program make some effort of their own in order to use it.
  89 </I>&gt;<i>
  90 </I>&gt;<i> [...]
  91 </I>&gt;<i>
  92 </I>&gt;<i>   --Andrew Church
  93 </I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="http://lists.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">achurch at achurch.org</A>
  94 </I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="http://achurch.org/">http://achurch.org/</A>
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