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  15     <B>Yusuf Iskenderoglu</B>
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  19     <I>Mon Aug  5 19:45:01 PDT 2002</I>
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  34 <PRE>Hi,
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  36 though I am not an authority, I would say NO, because ircd2.10
  37 and later is not designed to work with a services server
  38 (and not SERVICE's which are a totally different kind),
  39 because of the following:
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  41 - Lack of a global kline (akill would not work)
  42 - Lack of topic burst
  43 - Lack of services-savvy functions like (SVSMODE, SVSNICK)
  44 - Lack of privilege level (like U:Line) so that certain clients
  45   can do more (kill, mode, kick, topic) without having to join
  46   channels.
  47
  48 Unless IRCnet coders start coding their ircd to support services,
  49 I do not see any point in supporting that ircd, since the kludges
  50 and hacks to accomplish those mentioned functionality would take
  51 too much time.
  52
  53 Example:
  54 - Instead of Autokilling, services would need to continously send
  55   KILL, and this would work as long as you configure your server
  56   to allow remote KILLs.
  57 - After a netjoin, a channel could have different topics the amount
  58   of linking servers, and services would never notice it, and
  59   it also would not need resetting topics.
  60 - Services would even not see a netsplit happening, if:
  61         bla.xxx.com splits from
  62         hub.xxx.com but, hub.xxx.com represents themselves as
  63         *.xxx.com and any server behind them is hidden from the
  64         network.
  65 - Guest'ing would not work, since SVSNICK is not there.
  66 - In order for ChanServ to MODE #channel +o nick, ChanServ should
  67   join the channel, and become op by services server, and then
  68   set op on another user
  69 - The same for kick and topic.
  70
  71 Moreover, ircservices cannot be redesigned to work as SERVICE's,
  72 because a SERVICE is not differentiated by name, but <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">name at host</A>,
  73 and this would mean, that anyone could link up their NickServ
  74 to the net as a service, and the best_service() thing from
  75 IRCnet ircd would just choose ONE optimal choise for you, leading
  76 to total inconsistency with registration/access lists, etc.
  77
  78 I am additionally not sure, whether IRCnets SERVICE's are allowed
  79 to MODE/KICK/TOPIC.
  80
  81 Regards;
  82 yusuf
  83
  84 PS: What is actually the main reason for you to use ircd2.10 or
  85 later ? I ask just because of interest. (You can answer me
  86 privately to this question, if you want)
  87
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  96
  97 &gt;<i> -----Urspr&#252;ngliche Nachricht-----
  98 </I>&gt;<i> Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
  99 </I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>] Im Auftrag von
 100 </I>&gt;<i> Frederico C Wilhelms Fred
 101 </I>&gt;<i> Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2002 19:00
 102 </I>&gt;<i> An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
 103 </I>&gt;<i> Betreff: [IRCServices] Is there a timeline in the future for
 104 </I>&gt;<i> supporting ircd2.9 or greater
 105 </I>&gt;<i>
 106 </I>&gt;<i>
 107 </I>&gt;<i> Hi,
 108 </I>&gt;<i>
 109 </I>&gt;<i> Is there any kind of timeline for supporting newer versions of the
 110 </I>&gt;<i> ircd2.(&gt;9) ?
 111 </I>&gt;<i>
 112 </I>&gt;<i> Tks
 113 </I>&gt;<i>
 114 </I>&gt;<i> Fred
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