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  15     <B>Ben Goldstein</B>
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  17        TITLE="[IRCServices] Thoughts on 433 numeric?">beng at nc.rr.com
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  19     <I>Mon Nov 12 01:17:00 PST 2001</I>
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  34 <PRE>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;About the only problem I've found with it is if I have kill set to quick
  35 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;and access the nick from a <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">user at host</A> not in the access list, services
  36 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;sends the numeric as soon as I connect... not a big problem, unless the
  37 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;IRC client is one that changes nicks automatically when it receives that
  38 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;numeric. :)
  39 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
  40 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;     Do you think, say, 10 seconds before the kill/SVSNICK would be long
  41 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;enough?  Otherwise I don't see a way to solve this without, say, creating
  42 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;an all-new numeric or some such...
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  44 I've noticed services sends 433 on NickServ's initial warning.  What would
  45 be ideal is if services sent the numeric 20 seconds or so before the
  46 SVSNICK.  The pros to keeping numeric 433 is if the client is one that
  47 changes nicks to avoid the collide. This is only good behavior if the
  48 numeric is sent shortly before the collide, however.
  49
  50 &gt;<i>      To follow up on this--what would people think of taking a currently
  51 </I>&gt;<i> unused numeric, say 430, and using it for &quot;nick registered/forbidden&quot;?
  52 </I>&gt;<i> That way we get the advantage of keeping bots RFC-compliant without the
  53 </I>&gt;<i> problems of people getting confused by &quot;nick in use&quot; messages.
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  55 As long as the numeric is not sent initially, but shortly before the
  56 kill/svsnick, this shouldn't be an issue.
  57
  58 -- Ben Goldstein
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