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15 <B>Yusuf Iskenderoglu</B>
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19 <I>Tue Feb 27 01:11:01 PST 2001</I>
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34 <PRE>I take my words back.
35
36 1- :NickName SJOIN epoch #channel is correct
37 2- I have not been correctly informed.
38
39 Sorry for this inconvenience.
40
41
42 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
43 |<i> Yusuf Iskenderoglu | You get to meet all sorts, |
44 </I>|<i> eMail - <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">uhc0 at rz.uni-karlsruhe.de</A> | in this line of work... |
45 </I>|<i> eMail - <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">s_iskend at ira.uka.de</A> | |
46 </I>|<i> ICQ UIN : 20587464 \ TimeMr14C | |
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49
50 &gt;<i> -----Urspr&#252;ngliche Nachricht-----
51 </I>&gt;<i> Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
52 </I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>]Im Auftrag von Yusuf
53 </I>&gt;<i> Iskenderoglu
54 </I>&gt;<i> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2001 00:04
55 </I>&gt;<i> An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
56 </I>&gt;<i> Betreff: AW: [IRCServices] Wierd message...
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58 </I>&gt;<i>
59 </I>&gt;<i>
60 </I>&gt;<i> No,
61 </I>&gt;<i>
62 </I>&gt;<i> :NickName SJOIN #channel epoch
63 </I>&gt;<i>
64 </I>&gt;<i> does not use creation time, it is the actual time, to tell when a JOIN
65 </I>&gt;<i> has been issued.
66 </I>&gt;<i>
67 </I>&gt;<i> The Creation Time is sent with the channel definition SJOIN:
68 </I>&gt;<i>
69 </I>&gt;<i> :ServerName SJOIN epoch #channel modes [param, param] :nicks.
70 </I>&gt;<i> That epoch is the creation time, for during a netburst, users,
71 </I>&gt;<i> which will be introduced
72 </I>&gt;<i> to the connecting server, will (shall) look, as if they are
73 </I>&gt;<i> joining at that time.
74 </I>&gt;<i>
75 </I>&gt;<i> That means, it is safe to use time(NULL), because ChanServ will
76 </I>&gt;<i> JOIN later than the user itself.
77 </I>&gt;<i>
78 </I>&gt;<i> Regards;
79 </I>&gt;<i> yusuf
80 </I>&gt;<i>
81 </I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
82 </I>&gt;<i> | Yusuf Iskenderoglu | You get to meet all sorts, |
83 </I>&gt;<i> | eMail - <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">uhc0 at rz.uni-karlsruhe.de</A> | in this line of work... |
84 </I>&gt;<i> | eMail - <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">s_iskend at ira.uka.de</A> | |
85 </I>&gt;<i> | ICQ UIN : 20587464 \ TimeMr14C | |
86 </I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
87 </I>&gt;<i>
88 </I>&gt;<i>
89 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----Urspr&#252;ngliche Nachricht-----
90 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
91 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>]Im Auftrag von Andrew
92 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Church
93 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2001 23:41
94 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
95 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; Betreff: Re: AW: [IRCServices] Wierd message...
96 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
97 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
98 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;But the reality is, that daemons, which use SJOIN, do not like remote
99 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;users (in this case, a user from services : ChanServ)
100 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;directly sending a JOIN, because only a SJOIN is being expected.
101 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Server to server communications is done via SJOINs. That is an
102 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;issue which might be corrected, though not necessary, by modifying
103 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;check_kick to something like
104 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
105 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;#if defined(IRC_BAHAMUT)
106 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; send_cmd(s_ChanServ, &quot;SJOIN %s %lu&quot;, chan, time(NULL));
107 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;#else
108 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; send_cmd(s_ChanServ, &quot;JOIN %s&quot;, chan);
109 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;#endif
110 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
111 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;where if(stay) is being evaluated.
112 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
113 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem with doing things this way is that in order to do it
114 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; properly we need to use the channel creation timestamp sent in the
115 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; original SJOIN command--but since the channel hasn't actually been
116 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; created in Services' lists, we don't have that available. Services
117 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; could be rewritten to use SJOIN properly in this way, but since JOIN
118 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; works just as well, I don't see any reason to. If the messages bother
119 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; you, filter them out in your script.
120 </I>&gt;<i> &gt;
121 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; --Andrew Church
122 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">achurch at achurch.org</A> | New address - please note.
123 </I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://achurch.org/">http://achurch.org/</A> | \e$B%a!&lt;%k%&quot;%I%l%9$,JQ$o$j$^$7$?!#\e(B
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