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  14    <H1>[IRCServices] Ok, I think that I have checked all other areas first.  Why the !@#$ does chanserv keep re-opping and re-voicing </H1>
  15     <B>Andrew Church</B>
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  34 <PRE>&gt;<i>Ok, I think that I have checked all other areas first.  Why the !@#$ does
  35 </I>&gt;<i>chanserv keep re-opping and re-voicing users that are at that access level?
  36 </I>&gt;<i>Some channels, like mine like to deop and devoice them to show they are
  37 </I>&gt;<i>IDLE!!!
  38 </I>
  39      That's what auto-op is for.  If you don't like that, don't use
  40 auto-op.  However, as of 4.5pre2 ChanServ will no longer prevent a user
  41 from deopping or devoicing themselves (ChanServ will still restore ops when
  42 one user deops a different one).
  43
  44 &gt;<i>Also, if I want to op a user and I do not want them opping others on a
  45 </I>&gt;<i>channel, that's what secureops is for, not some pain in the!#$ reaction.
  46 </I>
  47      Secure-ops is to disallow users not in the access list from getting
  48 ops, not to limit who can set ops on whom.  The HELP text describes this
  49 clearly.
  50
  51 &gt;<i>Finally, how official is this mail forum anyway.  I'd like to know if I can
  52 </I>&gt;<i>stop censoring my words or not.
  53 </I>
  54      This is the official Services mailing list.  I don't think anyone will
  55 get upset at your using bad language, but it doesn't make you look overly
  56 intelligent.
  57
  58 &gt;<i>Please keep in mind that this is my first
  59 </I>&gt;<i>message to it, which also shows how much of a real pain this problem is.  At
  60 </I>&gt;<i>the very least there should be a way for a founder to turn it off, I can't
  61 </I>&gt;<i>find one.  If anyone cares, I'm an espernet user.
  62 </I>
  63      While it's off-topic for this list, EsperNet's Services has been
  64 upgraded to pre2 (although the /version reply is wrong).
  65
  66   --Andrew Church
  67     <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">achurch at achurch.org</A> | New address - please note.
  68     <A HREF="http://achurch.org/">http://achurch.org/</A> | \e$B%a!&lt;%k%&quot;%I%l%9$,JQ$o$j$^$7$?!#\e(B
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