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34 <PRE>At
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2000 -
0700, you wrote:
37 </I>><i> Permit me to offer _my_ years of experience and point out that network
38 </I>><i>and server maintenance is completely meaningless without users. This is
39 </I>><i>just as true of IRC as of the Internet in general; when was the last time
40 </I>><i>you talked to someone maintaining a gopher server, for example? This is
41 </I>><i>what we in the field technically refer to as
"being too literal
".
44 </I>><i> If you read RFC
1459, scripting isn't even mentioned, whereas the
45 </I>><i>duties of an IRCop are; in such duties are network/server maintenance.
46 </I>><i>So by standard, choosing to keep a network tool like StatServ would be
47 </I>><i>more helpful to the oper than worrying about whether or not a few users
48 </I>><i>get flooded by clonebots.
50 </I>><i> (Note that StatServ and {nick protection, scripting} are entirely
51 </I>><i>orthogonal, except to the extent that nick protection and StatServ run in
52 </I>><i>the same process; and of course, if StatServ crashes then StatServ can't
53 </I>><i>continue working as a network tool, which makes this a non-solution to
54 </I>><i>start with.)
56 </I>><i> Of course, this is completely irrelevent to the original question,
57 </I>><i>which was not
"I'm going to pick one of these two things to get rid of,
58 </I>><i>which one should I choose
". The original question was
"Having StatServ
59 </I>><i>enabled causes Services to crash, how can I make it stop crashing?
"
60 </I>><i>Saying
"Leave StatServ enabled and let the users deal with Services
61 </I>><i>crashing
" does not answer that question.
63 </I>><i></rant
>
65 </I>><i> --Andrew Church
66 </I>><i> <A HREF=
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71 Unless I totally misread the short
5 line post I started to offer my
72 opinion to, my post would be relevant. I can't remember specifics and the
73 post is on my laptop, so please bear with me.
75 I offed my opinion at a choice between two possible solutions given by two
76 different people. One solution was to disable StatServ, I don't remember
77 who offered that solution, the second was disable guesting, offered by
78 Andrew Kempe. As I read the post I perceived it as
"I wonder which one is
79 correct
" type of post. So to help
"choose
" I gave my opinion, which was
80 basically disable guesting, because I know it will be fixed in the future.
81 The reasoning behind that is generally based on my oper experience on a
82 60k+ user network were an IRCop NEEDS to make choices that will always
83 support the network over the users even though most users don't see things
86 My opinion doesn't suggest that the users are not important. Your are
87 correct and I have stated so myself to people in the past that without
88 users, a network would a group of opers with nothing better to do than to
89 play with themselves. Also at hand is the fact that having/getting users is
90 meaningless with a poorly maintained network/server. So the two work hand
93 So from my point of view, the post I originally replied to was indeed a
94 "I'm going to pick one of these two things to get rid of, which one should
95 I choose
" type post.
97 I'm sorry if I was totally wrong on this.
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