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  15     <B>Kevin</B>
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  19     <I>Wed Jan 19 14:10:39 PST 2000</I>
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  34 <PRE>On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Tim Jung wrote:
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  36 &gt;<i> No one is allowed to telnet into that server but me. So all IRC clients are
  37 </I>&gt;<i> remote clients none are done via the local loopback or from the machine
  38 </I>&gt;<i> itself.
  39 </I>
  40 I don't know how you have yours configured, but I have services
  41 connecting to 127.0.0.1 to connect to a dedicated port on the ircd.  If
  42 you aren't doing that, you could always try and see if it fixes
  43 anything. :)
  44
  45 &gt;<i> Your comment that no program should be able to crash an OS is true if this
  46 </I>&gt;<i> were a perfect world. This isn't a perfect world and software is updated all
  47 </I>
  48 It's not?? You mean the travel brochures I got before I chose to be born
  49 here lied?? jk :)
  50
  51 &gt;<i> the time to fix bugs etc, and this could possibly be a bug that needs to be
  52 </I>&gt;<i> fixed. I don't know for sure. But I don't understand how my game servers can
  53 </I>&gt;<i> chew up all the ram and put huge loads on the processor (1.xx and higher)
  54 </I>&gt;<i> and they don't crash the server.
  55 </I>
  56 Honestly, me either... I have trouble imagining what part of the code
  57 services is hitting that game servers don't excercise... that's why I
  58 suggested the localhost possibility.
  59
  60 &gt;<i> Yet I can run just IRCD and SERVICES and like clockwork the server will
  61 </I>&gt;<i> crash after a day or so. It points to a problem in IRC and SERVICES and
  62 </I>&gt;<i> their interaction with the operating system. Since they are the only
  63 </I>&gt;<i> applications that crash the server.
  64 </I>
  65 Repeatable bugs are easier to fix. :)  maybe you could run strace or
  66 something like that dumping to the console or to a remote machine so you
  67 can see where it seems to be crashing?  I've already deleted the original
  68 message in which you mentioned your machine configuration... think you
  69 said it was redhat tho?  Have you tried compiling a stock linux kernel
  70 (i.e. not one with any patches, whereas both redhat and debian add some
  71 patches, as far as I know) of the latest revision of the stable tree
  72 and seeing if you still have the problem?  The more precisely you can
  73 narrow down the problem, the better idea you have of who to bitch at.  (I
  74 honestly don't think a change to services nor ircd is the answer, since it
  75 seems to run so stably everywhere else, it's probably an oddity of the
  76 kernel you're running, maybe even specific to one particular device driver
  77 you have loaded.  Hence, kernel debugging techniques to identify if it
  78 crashes at a consistent place in the kernel are probably the way to go...)
  79
  80 --Kevin
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