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| 14 | <H1>[IRCServices] mildly off topic?</H1> | |
| 15 | <B>Dylan v.d Merwe</B> | |
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| 17 | TITLE="[IRCServices] mildly off topic?">dylanvdm at icon.co.za | |
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| 19 | <I>Tue Nov 26 11:39:00 PST 2002</I> | |
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| 34 | <PRE>Unreal is a very well coded ircd. It provides a whole host of features that | |
| 35 | make your user's session more interesting. The one thing that many people | |
| 36 | forget is that it is a professional ircd meant for experienced users. Sure | |
| 37 | it may come in a Windows flavor as well, which is great for experimenting | |
| 38 | and learning for beginners, but running it on *nix as well on a production | |
| 39 | network without learning everything about it is bound to cause hassles. I | |
| 40 | personally feel that nobody should run an ircd if they don't know what | |
| 41 | they're doing. That statement could cause a few ripples but let me explain. | |
| 42 | For most newbies wanting to run an ircd it's for the power. They don't care | |
| 43 | about their users, they *use* their users. By this I mean they go about | |
| 44 | getting as many users they can just so they can become popular or show off | |
| 45 | their powers. This is especially why most newbies opt for Unreal as they | |
| 46 | gain a huge range of powers as an ircop. I have been running Unreal for a | |
| 47 | long period of time and I find it extremely stable. Mainly because I know | |
| 48 | what I'm doing. Then again I'm not saying that you shouldn't try and ask | |
| 49 | questions. If you're really interested in running an ircd with better | |
| 50 | motives than one's specified above, as well as willing to put in the effort | |
| 51 | in learning what needs to be learnt then having your network come online | |
| 52 | will be a positive addition to the irc world. I just don't like spoon | |
| 53 | feeding answers to people which I know can be found if they put a little bit | |
| 54 | of effort into it. Not forgetting experience makes a big difference. | |
| 55 | ||
| 56 | Got a bit off course there... Unreal would be quite a big jump from | |
| 57 | Dreamforge. Dreamforge was a great ircd but is looking awfully dated | |
| 58 | compared to newer ircds around. Bahamut would probably be your best choice | |
| 59 | as it branched off from Dreamforge and is similar in a few ways. Bahamut, | |
| 60 | may I add, is also a brilliantly coded ircd. | |
| 61 | ||
| 62 | You just need to think about what you require in your network. Unreal (gasp) | |
| 63 | is stable believe it or not if you know what you're doing. I have found them | |
| 64 | both to work 100% with ircservices. Also don't forget other ircds available | |
| 65 | which are supported by ircservices. Give them a try as well. This is one of | |
| 66 | those times I'm not going to list the ircds supported because it's mentioned | |
| 67 | on the ircservices website. | |
| 68 | ||
| 69 | Just my two cents... | |
| 70 | ||
| 71 | :<i>-) | |
| 72 | </I> | |
| 73 | Dylan. | |
| 74 | ||
| 75 | Network Administrator | |
| 76 | The Omega IRC Network | |
| 77 | irc.omega.org.za | |
| 78 | www.omega.org.za | |
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| 80 | ||
| 81 | ----- Original Message ----- | |
| 82 | From: "nick martini" <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">nick at devaluate.com</A>> | |
| 83 | To: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>> | |
| 84 | Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:30 PM | |
| 85 | Subject: Re: [IRCServices] mildly off topic? | |
| 86 | ||
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| 88 | ><i> im on all the unreal lists, as well as ircservices and epona. and while | |
| 89 | </I>><i> you are correct in saying that a lot of posts are from people having | |
| 90 | </I>><i> problems, there are different reasons. | |
| 91 | </I>><i> for one thing, unreal has a very large feature set. there are a lot of | |
| 92 | </I>><i> commands new and/or inexperienced people should not be using, but they | |
| 93 | </I>><i> try anyway. they subsequently break something and post to the lists | |
| 94 | </I>><i> asking for help. | |
| 95 | </I>><i> another is due to pure inexperience. ive been on a few networks running | |
| 96 | </I>><i> unreal (i shant name them, but im sure we've all had this experience) | |
| 97 | </I>><i> where the admins are just totally clueless. | |
| 98 | </I>><i> | |
| 99 | </I>><i> i run unreal beta, and it runs perfectly fine. aside from the whole | |
| 100 | </I>><i> syntax error (re: typos) in the config file causes the ircd to go down, | |
| 101 | </I>><i> its damn stable. | |
| 102 | </I>><i> | |
| 103 | </I>><i> ircservices works splendidly with it as well. | |
| 104 | </I>><i> | |
| 105 | </I>><i> theres my 2 cents :) | |
| 106 | </I>><i> | |
| 107 | </I>><i> nk | |
| 108 | </I>><i> | |
| 109 | </I>><i> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:34:44AM -0500, Ballsy wrote: | |
| 110 | </I>><i> |> From: Ballsy <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ballsy at mystical.net</A>> | |
| 111 | </I>><i> |> To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A> | |
| 112 | </I>><i> |> Subject: Re: [IRCServices] mildly off topic? | |
| 113 | </I>><i> |> Message-ID: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250909440.5041-100000 at david.mail.net</A>> | |
| 114 | </I>><i> |> Reply-To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A> | |
| 115 | </I>><i> |> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:34:44 -0500 (EST) | |
| 116 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 117 | </I>><i> |> While this is somewhat like asking "What's the best operating | |
| 118 | </I>><i> |> system for my desktop" (in that the responses will vary, as everyone | |
| 119 | </I>has | |
| 120 | ><i> |> their favourites), many folks on the list seem to use bahamut (1.4.30 | |
| 121 | </I>or | |
| 122 | ><i> |> later), including myself, and it seems to get along with IRC Services | |
| 123 | </I>just | |
| 124 | ><i> |> fine. | |
| 125 | </I>><i> |> While I have absolutely no personal experience running Unreal | |
| 126 | </I>><i> |> IRCd, dare I say that it seems to be responsible for the majority of | |
| 127 | </I>the | |
| 128 | ><i> |> "I have a problem" posts to this list. I think these relate to | |
| 129 | </I>specific | |
| 130 | ><i> |> versions of Unreal though, as others apparently work just fine. | |
| 131 | </I>><i> |> It really depends on what you want from your IRCd though. If | |
| 132 | </I>><i> |> you've been using Dreamforge until now, moving to bahamut may be the | |
| 133 | </I>><i> |> easiest transition. Bahamut is designed for large networks though, in | |
| 134 | </I>><i> |> that it is not near as feature-rich as some other daemons, but can | |
| 135 | </I>handle | |
| 136 | ><i> |> an incredible client load (there are servers on DALnet with 40K+ | |
| 137 | </I>><i> |> concurrent users). | |
| 138 | </I>><i> |> The best way to go, I imagine, would be to check out the IRC | |
| 139 | </I>><i> |> Services docs to see what IRCds are supported, then look at those IRCds | |
| 140 | </I>><i> |> individually to see if they have what you want/need. | |
| 141 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 142 | </I>><i> |> David | |
| 143 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 144 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 145 | </I>><i> |> Quoth Chuck on Nov 25 at 06:56, | |
| 146 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 147 | </I>><i> |> > It has been years since we have explored the software available in | |
| 148 | </I>irc | |
| 149 | ><i> |> > and now we want to upgrade our server software and services. Of | |
| 150 | </I>course, | |
| 151 | ><i> |> > what services to get is easy:). | |
| 152 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 153 | </I>><i> |> > My question is, what is the best open source server software | |
| 154 | </I>available | |
| 155 | ><i> |> > now that is 100% compatible with services? | |
| 156 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 157 | </I>><i> |> > We want it to 'run itself' once it is properly configured. We have | |
| 158 | </I>not | |
| 159 | ><i> |> > had to touch the old dreamforge software in the past 3 years at all, | |
| 160 | </I>in | |
| 161 | ><i> |> > fact forgot it was even running. | |
| 162 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 163 | </I>><i> |> > This will be a private, stand-a-lone server. | |
| 164 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 165 | </I>><i> |> > Suggestions and "problem warnings" will be most appreciated. | |
| 166 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 167 | </I>><i> |> > Chuck | |
| 168 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 169 | </I>><i> |> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
| 170 | </I>><i> |> > To unsubscribe or change your subscription options, visit: | |
| 171 | </I>><i> |> > <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices</A> | |
| 172 | </I>><i> |> > | |
| 173 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 174 | </I>><i> |> ------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
| 175 | </I>><i> |> To unsubscribe or change your subscription options, visit: | |
| 176 | </I>><i> |> <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices</A> | |
| 177 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 178 | </I>><i> |> | |
| 179 | </I>><i> | |
| 180 | </I>><i> -- | |
| 181 | </I>><i> ill try to be less cynical when you try to be less stupid. | |
| 182 | </I>><i> ------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
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| 184 | </I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices</A> | |
| 185 | </I> | |
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| 188 | </PRE> | |
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