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   <H1>[IRCServices] +h user mode to help channel ops</H1>
    <B>Jonathan Morton</B> 
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    <I>Thu Nov  1 20:23:01 PST 2001</I>
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<PRE>&gt;<i>On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 05:35:00PM +0000, Jonathan Morton wrote:
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; &gt;Am I the only one that just gets attachments from this guy?
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; It's PGP/MIME.  You should find it's a text file with his message and
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; some PGP signature tags on it.
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; Personally, I reccommend using inline-text PGP rather than PGP/MIME.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i>inline-PGP is largely ignorant of the world outside the US, i.e. it
</I>&gt;<i>ignores internationalisation.  Yes, I do know the difference and am
</I>&gt;<i>aware that users of Outlook find it hard to read my email.  I do not
</I>&gt;<i>care if they delete it; PGP/MIME is the way to go.
</I>
Not just Outlook.  Try PINE and Eudora, not to mention anything else 
that doesn't explicitly support it.  I use Eudora, and I have to 
double-click on your &quot;attachment&quot; and wait for PGP to look at your 
key before I can see what you're saying.  Then, Eudora won't quote 
your message properly when I hit Reply.  Since you speak English, 
what's wrong with using inline-PGP?

Outlook, PINE and Eudora are probably the most widely-used three 
mailers in existence today.  Knowingly using a scheme which makes it 
hard to read in them, without good reason, is beyond my comprehension.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Now, let's make a test using s&#248;me &#233;ur&#246;pe&#224;n ch&#229;ra&#231;ter&#223; and see how 
inline-PGP handles them...

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Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use &lt;<A HREF="http://www.pgp.com">http://www.pgp.com</A>&gt;

iQA/AwUBO+GSuClQFLD6utO7EQJY2wCgqCJzmBEW0xZPPjtfDQD4WNrG3RUAnRqR
m30HjxgVKD9ht1QuGE0eN096
=z+gw
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from:     Jonathan &quot;Chromatix&quot; Morton
mail:     <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">chromi at cyberspace.org</A>  (not for attachments)
website:  <A HREF="http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/vnc/">http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/vnc/</A>
geekcode: GCS$/E dpu(!) s:- a20 C+++ UL++ P L+++ E W+ N- o? K? w--- O-- M++$
           V? PS PE- Y+ PGP++ t- 5- X- R !tv b++ DI+++ D G e+ h+ r++ y+(*)
tagline:  The key to knowledge is not to rely on people to teach you it.

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	34	<PRE>><i>On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 05:35:00PM +0000, Jonathan Morton wrote:
	35	</I>><i> > >Am I the only one that just gets attachments from this guy?
	36	</I>><i> >
	37	</I>><i> > It's PGP/MIME. You should find it's a text file with his message and
	38	</I>><i> > some PGP signature tags on it.
	39	</I>><i> >
	40	</I>><i> > Personally, I reccommend using inline-text PGP rather than PGP/MIME.
	41	</I>><i>
	42	</I>><i>inline-PGP is largely ignorant of the world outside the US, i.e. it
	43	</I>><i>ignores internationalisation. Yes, I do know the difference and am
	44	</I>><i>aware that users of Outlook find it hard to read my email. I do not
	45	</I>><i>care if they delete it; PGP/MIME is the way to go.
	46	</I>
	47	Not just Outlook. Try PINE and Eudora, not to mention anything else
	48	that doesn't explicitly support it. I use Eudora, and I have to
	49	double-click on your "attachment" and wait for PGP to look at your
	50	key before I can see what you're saying. Then, Eudora won't quote
	51	your message properly when I hit Reply. Since you speak English,
	52	what's wrong with using inline-PGP?
	53
	54	Outlook, PINE and Eudora are probably the most widely-used three
	55	mailers in existence today. Knowingly using a scheme which makes it
	56	hard to read in them, without good reason, is beyond my comprehension.
	57
	58	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
	59	Hash: SHA1
	60
	61	Now, let's make a test using søme éuröpeàn chåraçterß and see how
	62	inline-PGP handles them...
	63
	64	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
65	Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <<A HREF="http://www.pgp.com">http://www.pgp.com</A>>
66
67	iQA/AwUBO+GSuClQFLD6utO7EQJY2wCgqCJzmBEW0xZPPjtfDQD4WNrG3RUAnRqR
68	m30HjxgVKD9ht1QuGE0eN096
69	=z+gw
70	-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
71
72	--
73	--------------------------------------------------------------
74	from: Jonathan "Chromatix" Morton
75	mail: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">chromi at cyberspace.org</A> (not for attachments)
76	website: <A HREF="http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/vnc/">http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/vnc/</A>
77	geekcode: GCS$/E dpu(!) s:- a20 C+++ UL++ P L+++ E W+ N- o? K? w--- O-- M++$
78	V? PS PE- Y+ PGP++ t- 5- X- R !tv b++ DI+++ D G e+ h+ r++ y+(*)
79	tagline: The key to knowledge is not to rely on people to teach you it.
80
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