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+ <H1>[IRCServices] secure Identify Feature..</H1>
+ <B>David D. Wachtveitl</B>
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+ TITLE="[IRCServices] secure Identify Feature..">dwachtve at hotmail.com
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+ <I>Tue Apr 13 18:12:19 PDT 2004</I>
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+<PRE>Also, it would prevent an "over the shoulder" viewer of the password the
+ability to use it. I keep an access mask on my nick ident for this very
+reason. I think it makes some sense to have this on the channel founder as
+well (as an option). Of course, if for some reason you are the founder and
+no longer have access to the mask you set for yourself, you could be sol
+also :P
+
+
+----- Original Message -----
+From: "Craig McLure" <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">Craig at chatspike.net</A>>
+To: "<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">mark at ctcp.net</A>, IRC Services Gene"
+<<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">mark at ctcp.net</A><A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">,ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>>
+Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:39 PM
+Subject: Re: RE: RE: [IRCServices] secure Identify Feature..
+
+
+><i> I read this mail, and read it again, and its absolutly right, with some
+</I>careful manipulation of the /cs levels command, along with /cs access, you
+can basically give people 'Founder' privs without them being founder.
+Another possible advantage to this command thou.. If for some weird reason,
+someone finds your channel password, this command would prevent them from
+doing anything with it, as they would not be able to log on as channel
+founder (Unless they were on the access list). sometimes the distributation
+of channel passwords may be present when the real founder cant get at the
+channel for various reasons, and they give the password to the successor, or
+someone else trustworthy. From where i'm sitting, I cant really see any
+other real use for this function.
+><i>
+</I>><i> /****************************************
+</I>><i> * Craig "FrostyCoolSlug" McLure
+</I>><i> * InspIRCd - <A HREF="http://www.inspircd.org">http://www.inspircd.org</A> - REVIVED
+</I>><i> * ChatSpike - <A HREF="http://www.chatspike.net">http://www.chatspike.net</A>
+</I>><i> ****************************************/
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i> /****************************************
+</I>><i> * From - M <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">mark at ctcp.net</A>>
+</I>><i> * To - 'IRC Services General Mailing List'
+</I><<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>>
+><i> * Sent - 2004-04-13 23:08:45
+</I>><i> * Subject - RE: RE: [IRCServices] secure Identify Feature..
+</I>><i> ****************************************/
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i> /****** - Begin Original Message - ******/
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i> >Craig McLure wrote:
+</I>><i> >> This command would add things to make the channel more secure
+</I>><i> >> thou, If you did give the channel founder password to people
+</I>><i> >> you trust, and you find its being abused, you can simply
+</I>><i> >> remove that person from the access list, this way you dont
+</I>><i> >> need to worry about changing the password and re-distributing it :)
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >The way to be secure is not to give out the founder password. You could
+</I>><i> >apply the same short sighted reason for a "/ns set
+</I>><i> >letotherpeopleaccessmynick pass" request.
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >The founder password is designed to give the channel founder access to
+</I>><i> >manage the ownership of the channel. There is no need to give out the
+</I>><i> >password to anyone, channel management through others is provided via op
+</I>><i> >status.
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >If for some peculiar reason a channel founder wishes to share the
+</I>password
+><i> >then IMO that is their problem. The chances are that any user that would
+</I>><i> >require modifying the access list to "fix" this, would likely be
+</I>attempted
+><i> >too late since a rogue user could have merely taken ownership of the
+</I>channel
+><i> >thereby making the option and the founder password redundant and merely
+</I>make
+><i> >it a problem that administrators waste time on.
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >The founder can already provide access to whatever commands an op needs
+</I>via
+><i> >levels which is far more secure and already subject to access list
+</I>><i> >restrictions.
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >What function of founder status is required that warrants removing the
+</I>><i> >founder status by supporting sharing of it?
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >M.
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >
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+</I>><i> /******* - End Original Message - *******/
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