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+ <H1>[IRCServices] Services in channel opers</H1>
+ <B>Ian R. Justman</B>
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+ <I>Tue Apr 15 18:16:37 PDT 2003</I>
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+Finny Merrill wrote:
+><i> On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:43:56 +0200, Dylan v.d Merwe
+</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">dylanvdm at icon.co.za</A>> wrote:
+</I>><i>
+</I>>><i> The days have long passed when services used to act like bots and sit in
+</I>>><i> channels. It is now against the irc protocol to allow this, therefore it
+</I>>><i> does not happen nor can you set them to do so in the config file.
+</I>>><i>
+</I>>><i> You can force services into a channel using RAW commands but this is
+</I>>><i> highly
+</I>>><i> discouraged as all sorts of things can go wrong. Leave them where they
+</I>>><i> are,
+</I>>><i> you'll be just fine.
+</I>>><i>
+</I>>><i> Dylan.
+</I>><i> Whoa, when did it become against the irc protocol to do this? And which
+</I>><i> irc protocol anyway? :p
+</I>
+Best thing I can gather is RFC 2813 section 2.2.2 which reads as follows:
+
+2.2.2 Services
+
+ Each service is distinguished from other services by a service name
+ composed of a nickname and a server name. The nickname has a maximum
+ length of nine (9) characters. See the protocol grammar rules
+ (section 3.3.1) for what may and may not be used in a nickname. The
+ server name used to compose the service name is the name of the
+ server to which the service is connected. In addition to this
+ service name all servers MUST know the service type.
+
+ Services differ from users by the format of their identifier, but
+ more importantly services and users don't have the same type of
+ access to the server: services can request part or all of the global
+ state information that a server maintains, but have a more restricted
+ set of commands available to them (See "IRC Client Protocol" [IRC-
+ CLIENT] for details on which) and are not allowed to join channels.
+ Finally services are not usually subject to the "Flood control"
+ mechanism described in section 5.8.
+
+But then again, Andy does not recognize the IRCnet RFCs (which is what I
+call them since these documents were written by an IRCnet staffer) as being
+official, so...
+
+Though also, I've seen Hybserv's Services' nicks join channels on two
+different Hybrid/Hybserv networks. I don't entirely see the point of that
+myself.
+
+--Ian R. Justman, Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network.
+
+-----
+Ian R. Justman <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ianj at esper.net</A> (Official EsperNet business)
+Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network
+Server Administrator, chocobo.esper.net "IJ" on IRC
+
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