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+ <H1>[IRCServices] Adding features to services</H1>
+ <B>Chris W.</B>
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+ TITLE="[IRCServices] Adding features to services">chris94688 at hotmail.com
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+ <I>Mon Nov 22 07:27:32 PST 1999</I>
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+<PRE>Forgive my strange email address. I'm on vacation and my proxy server can
+only use hotmail. Anyway, One way to do this would be perhaps to add a step
+or 2 used for dropping something. Such as an email or a "secret question
+answer" as many places use. So it would go something like:
+/msg *Serv drop <nick/channel> <pass> <email> <secret answer>
+
+That would add two more walls for takeovers. I remember, back in my newbie
+days, watching a guy take over a channel. He didn't get the password, or
+drop the channel, etc. He somehow either hacked the host and got aop or
+sop(on DALnet, not your guys services), or he woyld join the channel during
+a services downfall and would gain op by an unsuspecting op and banned
+everyone from the channel. None of these have to do with services. However,
+i think adding a commands like the above would be beneficial to stopping
+this problem via getting channel or nickname passwords. It should be
+optional; however, because some people think that's too much of a hassle.
+Different things for different people, as always. Anyone wanna make a patch,
+that could be approved first by Andrew? Once again, my $.02
+-Chris
+
+
+><i>From: Rafael Ritter <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">rafael at kapa.procergs.com.br</A>>
+</I>><i>Reply-To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
+</I>><i>To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
+</I>><i>Subject: Re: [IRCServices] Adding features to services
+</I>><i>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:34:58 -0200
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i>In a big network, this may be a problem. My server have +- 5000 users, and
+</I>><i>by removing this two features, we could reduce the problem of stealling
+</I>><i>channels.
+</I>><i>I just wrote this experiment here, because it may be usefull to someone
+</I>><i>with this problems.
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i>Rafael Ritter
+</I>><i>Equipe VIA RS
+</I>><i>
+</I>><i>At 15:37 18/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
+</I>><i> >What do you gain by this? From how I read it, only IRCops can drop
+</I>><i> >channels. That can be a major pain. Users
+</I>><i> >should be able to drop stuff by themselves without having to go ask
+</I>><i> >somebody to do it for them, and getting put on a waiting list for the
+</I>><i>Opers
+</I>><i> >to get around to dropping their channel. I'm sorry, but if I read this
+</I>><i> >correctly, this isn't a good idea IMHO. I know if I were a user it'd
+</I>><i>really
+</I>><i> >piss me off.
+</I>><i> >Just my $.02
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >-Chris
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >P.S. I would like to see the aop/sop/av/etc. commands implemented into
+</I>><i> >services in replace of the "dreaded" ACCESS =)
+</I>><i> >
+</I>><i> >----------
+</I>><i> >> From: Rafael Ritter <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">rafael at kapa.procergs.com.br</A>>
+</I>><i> >> To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
+</I>><i> >> Subject: Re: [IRCServices] Adding features to services
+</I>><i> >> Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:18 AM
+</I>><i> >>
+</I>><i> >> Just a suggestion:
+</I>><i> >> in my server, I had disabled the DROP and SET FOUNDER commands. To use
+</I>><i> >this
+</I>><i> >> command you need to be an IRCop.
+</I>><i> >> This simple change dont let users to stole channels from another users.
+</I>><i> >> They can even stole de password, but the channel's INFO allways will
+</I>><i>show
+</I>><i> >> the nickname of real founder. If someone, ask for a password or
+</I>><i>something
+</I>><i> >> relative, you only need to look at channel INFO.
+</I>><i> >>
+</I>><i> >> Rafael Ritter
+</I>><i> >> Equipe VIA RS
+</I>><i> >>
+</I>><i> >> At 11:10 18/11/99 +0200, you wrote:
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >This is just a quickie based on what I read earlier.
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >If you're going to add features to ircservices, especially if you
+</I>><i>intend
+</I>><i> >> >(or atleast, would like) your features to be incorporated into newer
+</I>><i> >> >releases, you MUST make sure ALL your code changes will accomodate ALL
+</I>><i> >> >supported IRCds.
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >The way Andy originally coded services makes this quite easier... you
+</I>><i> >have
+</I>><i> >> >a number of compile-time directives which compile in the appropriate
+</I>><i> >code
+</I>><i> >> >based on the ircd selected at configuration.
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >For example:
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> > #ifdef IRC_DAL4_4_15
+</I>><i> >> > ... code ...
+</I>><i> >> > #endif
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >The expressions available are:
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> > IRC_DALNET, IRC_DAL4_4_15, IRC_CLASSIC,
+</I>><i> >> > IRC_UNDERNET_NEW, IRC_TS8, IRC_UNDERNET,
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >Don't suppose anyone is bored and would like to outline the
+</I>><i>differences
+</I>><i> >> >between these IRCds? Maybe add it to a programming FAQ for services
+</I>><i> >which
+</I>><i> >> >another bored person could make?
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >Lastly, I agree with the need for an additional list for the CODING of
+</I>><i> >> >ircservices. Feature suggestions and things help requests are fine
+</I>><i>for
+</I>><i> >a
+</I>><i> >> >normal list, but I think a place where people could discuss
+</I>><i> >implementation
+</I>><i> >> >of certain things and what they break, how to fix these things, etc,
+</I>><i> >would
+</I>><i> >> >be constructive.
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >- Gav
+</I>><i> >> >
+</I>><i> >> >---
+</I>><i> >> >Gaven Cohen aka Kinslayer <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">dragon at wastelands.net</A>> www.wastelands.net
+</I>><i> >> >freelance sysadmin/programmer HABONIM DROR linux, fantasy enthusiast
+</I>><i> >> >RSA/1024 0xFC82B78F 4B 43 3C 20 47 58 AF AC DB 1E 7F 6E 64 08 15 7E
+</I>><i> >> >
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