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   <H1>[IRCServices] IRC Services  5.1 Features</H1>
    <B>Bergee</B> 
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    <I>Tue Jul 13 23:11:26 PDT 2004</I>
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<PRE>Andrew Church wrote:
 &gt; As far as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), channel owner
 &gt; mode is just like protected (+a) except that it can't be unset by
 &gt; other +a users; if that's the case, I'm not sure there's much reason
 &gt; to use it at all--after all, ChanServ will always let the founder
 &gt; unban, rejoin, and get +a back as needed.
 &gt;      What would people think of just doing away with channel owner
 &gt; mode support entirely?

	At least on Unreal that is not quite true.  The mode +q (which is used 
to indicated owner on Unreal) allows you to set or remove channel modes 
+u (auditorium mode) and +L (channel linking).  It also allows you to 
set/remove +a or +q from users on the channel (and services doesn't 
enforce +q on anyone, regardless of whether one is the founder).  And of 
course, there's the stuff related to kicking, as a user with +q, you can 
kick any +a or +q users from the channel, and can't be kicked yourself 
unless the user trying also has +q.  Last but not least, if this feature 
is enabled, +q also grants the user a different prefix, which a lot of 
users like to indicate at a glance who runs the channel.
	On Unreal, given that having it is the only way one can set two channel 
modes without using services, I think it's a good idea to keep the 
support for it in place.  I would also make the suggestion that if 
ChanServ enforce is on, that the channel owner mode be enforced if 
another user removes it.  :)

Bergee


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	34	<PRE>Andrew Church wrote:
	35	> As far as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), channel owner
	36	> mode is just like protected (+a) except that it can't be unset by
	37	> other +a users; if that's the case, I'm not sure there's much reason
	38	> to use it at all--after all, ChanServ will always let the founder
	39	> unban, rejoin, and get +a back as needed.
	40	> What would people think of just doing away with channel owner
	41	> mode support entirely?
	42
	43	At least on Unreal that is not quite true. The mode +q (which is used
	44	to indicated owner on Unreal) allows you to set or remove channel modes
	45	+u (auditorium mode) and +L (channel linking). It also allows you to
	46	set/remove +a or +q from users on the channel (and services doesn't
	47	enforce +q on anyone, regardless of whether one is the founder). And of
	48	course, there's the stuff related to kicking, as a user with +q, you can
	49	kick any +a or +q users from the channel, and can't be kicked yourself
	50	unless the user trying also has +q. Last but not least, if this feature
	51	is enabled, +q also grants the user a different prefix, which a lot of
	52	users like to indicate at a glance who runs the channel.
	53	On Unreal, given that having it is the only way one can set two channel
	54	modes without using services, I think it's a good idea to keep the
	55	support for it in place. I would also make the suggestion that if
	56	ChanServ enforce is on, that the channel owner mode be enforced if
	57	another user removes it. :)
	58
	59	Bergee
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