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   <H1>AW: [IRCServices] Is there a timeline in the future for supporting ircd2.9 or greater</H1>
    <B>Yusuf Iskenderoglu</B> 
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    <I>Mon Aug  5 19:45:01 PDT 2002</I>
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<PRE>Hi,

though I am not an authority, I would say NO, because ircd2.10 
and later is not designed to work with a services server 
(and not SERVICE's which are a totally different kind), 
because of the following:

- Lack of a global kline (akill would not work)
- Lack of topic burst 
- Lack of services-savvy functions like (SVSMODE, SVSNICK)
- Lack of privilege level (like U:Line) so that certain clients 
  can do more (kill, mode, kick, topic) without having to join
  channels. 

Unless IRCnet coders start coding their ircd to support services,
I do not see any point in supporting that ircd, since the kludges
and hacks to accomplish those mentioned functionality would take
too much time.

Example:
- Instead of Autokilling, services would need to continously send
  KILL, and this would work as long as you configure your server 
  to allow remote KILLs.
- After a netjoin, a channel could have different topics the amount
  of linking servers, and services would never notice it, and
  it also would not need resetting topics.
- Services would even not see a netsplit happening, if:
	bla.xxx.com splits from
	hub.xxx.com but, hub.xxx.com represents themselves as
	*.xxx.com and any server behind them is hidden from the
	network.
- Guest'ing would not work, since SVSNICK is not there.
- In order for ChanServ to MODE #channel +o nick, ChanServ should
  join the channel, and become op by services server, and then
  set op on another user
- The same for kick and topic.

Moreover, ircservices cannot be redesigned to work as SERVICE's,
because a SERVICE is not differentiated by name, but <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">name at host</A>,
and this would mean, that anyone could link up their NickServ
to the net as a service, and the best_service() thing from
IRCnet ircd would just choose ONE optimal choise for you, leading
to total inconsistency with registration/access lists, etc.

I am additionally not sure, whether IRCnets SERVICE's are allowed
to MODE/KICK/TOPIC.

Regards;
yusuf

PS: What is actually the main reason for you to use ircd2.10 or 
later ? I ask just because of interest. (You can answer me
privately to this question, if you want)

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&gt;<i> -----Urspr&#252;ngliche Nachricht-----
</I>&gt;<i> Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A> 
</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>] Im Auftrag von 
</I>&gt;<i> Frederico C Wilhelms Fred
</I>&gt;<i> Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2002 19:00
</I>&gt;<i> An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
</I>&gt;<i> Betreff: [IRCServices] Is there a timeline in the future for 
</I>&gt;<i> supporting ircd2.9 or greater
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Is there any kind of timeline for supporting newer versions of the 
</I>&gt;<i> ircd2.(&gt;9) ?
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Tks
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Fred 
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> 
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	35
	36	though I am not an authority, I would say NO, because ircd2.10
	37	and later is not designed to work with a services server
	38	(and not SERVICE's which are a totally different kind),
	39	because of the following:
	40
	41	- Lack of a global kline (akill would not work)
	42	- Lack of topic burst
	43	- Lack of services-savvy functions like (SVSMODE, SVSNICK)
	44	- Lack of privilege level (like U:Line) so that certain clients
	45	can do more (kill, mode, kick, topic) without having to join
	46	channels.
	47
	48	Unless IRCnet coders start coding their ircd to support services,
	49	I do not see any point in supporting that ircd, since the kludges
	50	and hacks to accomplish those mentioned functionality would take
	51	too much time.
	52
	53	Example:
	54	- Instead of Autokilling, services would need to continously send
	55	KILL, and this would work as long as you configure your server
	56	to allow remote KILLs.
	57	- After a netjoin, a channel could have different topics the amount
	58	of linking servers, and services would never notice it, and
	59	it also would not need resetting topics.
	60	- Services would even not see a netsplit happening, if:
	61	bla.xxx.com splits from
	62	hub.xxx.com but, hub.xxx.com represents themselves as
	63	*.xxx.com and any server behind them is hidden from the
	64	network.
65	- Guest'ing would not work, since SVSNICK is not there.
66	- In order for ChanServ to MODE #channel +o nick, ChanServ should
67	join the channel, and become op by services server, and then
68	set op on another user
69	- The same for kick and topic.
70
71	Moreover, ircservices cannot be redesigned to work as SERVICE's,
72	because a SERVICE is not differentiated by name, but <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">name at host</A>,
73	and this would mean, that anyone could link up their NickServ
74	to the net as a service, and the best_service() thing from
75	IRCnet ircd would just choose ONE optimal choise for you, leading
76	to total inconsistency with registration/access lists, etc.
77
78	I am additionally not sure, whether IRCnets SERVICE's are allowed
79	to MODE/KICK/TOPIC.
80
81	Regards;
82	yusuf
83
84	PS: What is actually the main reason for you to use ircd2.10 or
85	later ? I ask just because of interest. (You can answer me
86	privately to this question, if you want)
87
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95
96
97	><i> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
98	</I>><i> Von: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>
99	</I>><i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices-admin at ircservices.za.net</A>] Im Auftrag von
100	</I>><i> Frederico C Wilhelms Fred
101	</I>><i> Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2002 19:00
102	</I>><i> An: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ircservices.za.net</A>
103	</I>><i> Betreff: [IRCServices] Is there a timeline in the future for
104	</I>><i> supporting ircd2.9 or greater
105	</I>><i>
106	</I>><i>
107	</I>><i> Hi,
108	</I>><i>
109	</I>><i> Is there any kind of timeline for supporting newer versions of the
110	</I>><i> ircd2.(>9) ?
111	</I>><i>
112	</I>><i> Tks
113	</I>><i>
114	</I>><i> Fred
115	</I>><i>
116	</I>><i>
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