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   <H1>[IRCServices] Services information in documentation</H1>
    <B>Andrew Kempe</B> 
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    <I>Fri Sep 24 11:13:31 PDT 1999</I>
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<PRE>I have not had the chance to go through all the documentation, but I think
most references have been removed. Unfortunately, there are numerous other
references to &quot;EsperNet Services&quot; that our beyond my control - such as
websites, software archives etc.

Andrew

&gt;<i> -----Original Message-----
</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">owner-ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">owner-ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>]On Behalf Of Ian R.
</I>&gt;<i> Justman
</I>&gt;<i> Sent: 24 September 1999 11:09
</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [IRCServices] Services information in documentation
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Hi there, from the network who was the first to use this software.  :)
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Is there any way to tone down the references to EsperNet in the
</I>&gt;<i> documentation and the source code?  I periodically get requests for
</I>&gt;<i> support in #dragonweyr, EsperNet's official help channel, which I always
</I>&gt;<i> refer to Andy Church's page, &lt;A  HREF=&quot;<A HREF="http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services&quot;">http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services&quot;</A>&gt;<A HREF="http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services&lt;/A">http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services&lt;/A</A>&gt;.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Some of whom stubbornly--sometimes rudely--mitigate said requests by
</I>&gt;<i> saying they're not code questions, but operational questions, when in fact
</I>&gt;<i> the channel is solely for the use of our users, and operational questions
</I>&gt;<i> do entail the use of the code.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> I hope I haven't come off like I'm griping or anything, but some people do
</I>&gt;<i> not understand that while Services did have their start on EsperNet, our
</I>&gt;<i> administration channel is not the place to get support for it.  Like the
</I>&gt;<i> other networks I see represented here, we're just another satisfied user
</I>&gt;<i> of the software.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> While our staff and I appreciate the recognition, we're IRC operators, and
</I>&gt;<i> any work that we do on the code we do is to get the code to run on our own
</I>&gt;<i> servers and for any customizations we might make for our own purposes and
</I>&gt;<i> of course, bugfixes where we see them.  (Any bugfixes we'll be more than
</I>&gt;<i> happy to have rolled into the core source distribution.)
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> However, I personally might try running the software under other
</I>&gt;<i> environments to which I have access for portability reasons and for
</I>&gt;<i> reasons of fun.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Thanks. :)
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> - --Ian R. Justman, Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> P.S.  Andy Church, Services' original author, is our other founder. (Hi,
</I>&gt;<i> Andy!)
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> - -----
</I>&gt;<i> Ian R. Justman (NIC handle IJ12)  <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ianj at esper.net</A> (Official
</I>&gt;<i> EsperNet business)
</I>&gt;<i> Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network
</I>&gt;<i> Server Administrator, chocobo.esper.net &quot;IJ&quot; on IRC
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> PGP key available upon request, or finger <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ianj at esper.net.</A>
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> If this message was signed with the Postmaster's key, please finger
</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">postmaster at esper.net</A> for the Postmaster public key.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> Type Bits/KeyID    Date       User ID
</I>&gt;<i> pub  1024/BAB34B69 1997/11/15 EsperNet Postmaster &lt;<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">postmaster at esper.net</A>&gt;
</I>&gt;<i>             Key fingerprint = 05 BD 7C B5 8E 0B FD EF  EE 47 49
</I>&gt;<i> C4 96 11 59 75
</I>&gt;<i>
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	34	<PRE>I have not had the chance to go through all the documentation, but I think
	35	most references have been removed. Unfortunately, there are numerous other
	36	references to "EsperNet Services" that our beyond my control - such as
	37	websites, software archives etc.
	38
	39	Andrew
	40
	41	><i> -----Original Message-----
	42	</I>><i> From: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">owner-ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
	43	</I>><i> [mailto:<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">owner-ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>]On Behalf Of Ian R.
	44	</I>><i> Justman
	45	</I>><i> Sent: 24 September 1999 11:09
	46	</I>><i> To: <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ircservices at ender.shadowfire.org</A>
	47	</I>><i> Subject: [IRCServices] Services information in documentation
	48	</I>><i>
	49	</I>><i>
	50	</I>><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
	51	</I>><i>
	52	</I>><i>
	53	</I>><i> Hi there, from the network who was the first to use this software. :)
	54	</I>><i>
	55	</I>><i> Is there any way to tone down the references to EsperNet in the
	56	</I>><i> documentation and the source code? I periodically get requests for
	57	</I>><i> support in #dragonweyr, EsperNet's official help channel, which I always
	58	</I>><i> refer to Andy Church's page, <A HREF="<A HREF="http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services"">http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services"</A>><A HREF="http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services</A">http://achurch.dragonfire.net/services</A</A>>.
	59	</I>><i>
	60	</I>><i> Some of whom stubbornly--sometimes rudely--mitigate said requests by
	61	</I>><i> saying they're not code questions, but operational questions, when in fact
	62	</I>><i> the channel is solely for the use of our users, and operational questions
	63	</I>><i> do entail the use of the code.
	64	</I>><i>
65	</I>><i> I hope I haven't come off like I'm griping or anything, but some people do
66	</I>><i> not understand that while Services did have their start on EsperNet, our
67	</I>><i> administration channel is not the place to get support for it. Like the
68	</I>><i> other networks I see represented here, we're just another satisfied user
69	</I>><i> of the software.
70	</I>><i>
71	</I>><i> While our staff and I appreciate the recognition, we're IRC operators, and
72	</I>><i> any work that we do on the code we do is to get the code to run on our own
73	</I>><i> servers and for any customizations we might make for our own purposes and
74	</I>><i> of course, bugfixes where we see them. (Any bugfixes we'll be more than
75	</I>><i> happy to have rolled into the core source distribution.)
76	</I>><i>
77	</I>><i> However, I personally might try running the software under other
78	</I>><i> environments to which I have access for portability reasons and for
79	</I>><i> reasons of fun.
80	</I>><i>
81	</I>><i> Thanks. :)
82	</I>><i>
83	</I>><i> - --Ian R. Justman, Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network.
84	</I>><i>
85	</I>><i> P.S. Andy Church, Services' original author, is our other founder. (Hi,
86	</I>><i> Andy!)
87	</I>><i>
88	</I>><i> - -----
89	</I>><i> Ian R. Justman (NIC handle IJ12) <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ianj at esper.net</A> (Official
90	</I>><i> EsperNet business)
91	</I>><i> Co-Founder and Postmaster, The EsperNet IRC Network
92	</I>><i> Server Administrator, chocobo.esper.net "IJ" on IRC
93	</I>><i>
94	</I>><i> PGP key available upon request, or finger <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">ianj at esper.net.</A>
95	</I>><i>
96	</I>><i> If this message was signed with the Postmaster's key, please finger
97	</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">postmaster at esper.net</A> for the Postmaster public key.
98	</I>><i>
99	</I>><i> Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID
100	</I>><i> pub 1024/BAB34B69 1997/11/15 EsperNet Postmaster <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices">postmaster at esper.net</A>>
101	</I>><i> Key fingerprint = 05 BD 7C B5 8E 0B FD EF EE 47 49
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