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| 15 | <B>Ganja51</B> | |
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| 17 | TITLE="[IRCServices Coding] operserv / akill">Ganja51 at lcirc.net | |
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| 19 | <I>Fri Oct 25 17:41:15 PDT 2002</I> | |
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| 34 | <PRE>This is an IRCServices mailing list, so I appologize for my posting on this | |
| 35 | subject here. | |
| 36 | ||
| 37 | CyberDems, I beg to differ, large networks CAN use UnrealIRCd. If I do | |
| 38 | recall, IRCQNet recently switched to UnrealIRCd (not that recently, it's | |
| 39 | been about 3 months if not longer). AND they have working services on there | |
| 40 | as well. The vast majority of their users are actually very pleased with the | |
| 41 | new functionality they have with UnrealIRCd as are the Admins, which can now | |
| 42 | better control their network (which was often known for harboring harmful | |
| 43 | botnets). | |
| 44 | ||
| 45 | Try doing some research before you go and spout out your worthless little 2 | |
| 46 | cents. Dylan was merely stating that different IRCds can suite different | |
| 47 | Admins and their networks. He was not saying that one was better than | |
| 48 | another. Not once did he say "everyone should switch to UnrealIRCd because | |
| 49 | it's so great" or anything even remotely close. | |
| 50 | ||
| 51 | Please refrain from your flamming in the future, and lets try to keep the | |
| 52 | IRCServices mailing list on IRCServices topics. Thank you. | |
| 53 | ||
| 54 | ~Ganja51 | |
| 55 | ||
| 56 | ----- Original Message ----- | |
| 57 | From: "CyberDems" <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">cyberdems at wwirc.za.org</A>> | |
| 58 | To: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">ircservices-coding at ircservices.za.net</A>> | |
| 59 | Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:41 PM | |
| 60 | Subject: Re: Re: [IRCServices Coding] operserv / akill | |
| 61 | ||
| 62 | ||
| 63 | ><i> Craig, I don't recall saying that UNREAL in specific, adds the bold, I | |
| 64 | </I>said | |
| 65 | ><i> ULTIMATE does it. Unreal is just slow, that's what I said. But I do accept | |
| 66 | </I>><i> both of your opinions. | |
| 67 | </I>><i> Dylan, if you're intending on having such a massive network, I have to | |
| 68 | </I>><i> inform you that UnrealIRCD won't do the trick - why not tell DALnet to | |
| 69 | </I>><i> switch to UnrealIRCD, I think all will go well, maybe just an hour delay, | |
| 70 | </I>><i> and a few hundred netsplits ? But yeah - you seem to be doing well, so | |
| 71 | </I>keep | |
| 72 | ><i> up the good work ;) | |
| 73 | </I>><i> | |
| 74 | </I>><i> Good luck to all you admins out there ;) | |
| 75 | </I>><i> | |
| 76 | </I>><i> CyberDems | |
| 77 | </I>><i> WWIRC Founder | |
| 78 | </I>><i> irc.wwirc.za.org | |
| 79 | </I>><i> | |
| 80 | </I>><i> ----- Original Message ----- | |
| 81 | </I>><i> From: "Craig Edwards" <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">brain at brainbox.ath.cx</A>> | |
| 82 | </I>><i> To: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">ircservices-coding at ircservices.za.net</A>> | |
| 83 | </I>><i> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:29 AM | |
| 84 | </I>><i> Subject: Re: Re: [IRCServices Coding] operserv / akill | |
| 85 | </I>><i> | |
| 86 | </I>><i> | |
| 87 | </I>><i> > I would like to make a minor correction here: Unreal does not insert | |
| 88 | </I>><i> bold/underline characters into /lusers - nor in fact any "standard" (or as | |
| 89 | </I>><i> near to standard as you can get for such a breaker of standards) command. | |
| 90 | </I>If | |
| 91 | ><i> you see such an ircd it has been modded zealously by some admin who | |
| 92 | </I>probably | |
| 93 | ><i> thinks that the only irc client is mirc ;) | |
| 94 | </I>><i> > Also slightly off topic but valid, the important factor about an irc | |
| 95 | </I>><i> network isnt the number of users it has but how happy its users are - if | |
| 96 | </I>the | |
| 97 | ><i> users are happier with +a and +h modes etc to help prevent takeovers, then | |
| 98 | </I>><i> it is good, i'd rather be on a small (200 users?) network of nice peaceful | |
| 99 | </I>><i> users any day than a large (10,000 users?) network full of takeovers and | |
| 100 | </I>><i> abuse due to minimal functionality of the software. Admittedly on some | |
| 101 | </I>><i> networks this is more down to the admin, but a large feature set does | |
| 102 | </I>allow | |
| 103 | ><i> for making the job of operators, helpers and admins easier, as it reduces | |
| 104 | </I>><i> the amount of time spent helping users recover lost channels for example. | |
| 105 | </I>><i> Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course, but that was my two | |
| 106 | </I>><i> pence worth and now im quite a bit off topic, so i'll shut up :) Have a | |
| 107 | </I>nice | |
| 108 | ><i> day! | |
| 109 | </I>><i> > | |
| 110 | </I>><i> > Craig Edwards (Brain`) | |
| 111 | </I>><i> > irc.chatspike.net | |
| 112 | </I>><i> > | |
| 113 | </I>><i> > >I will have to interfere here. | |
| 114 | </I>><i> > >UltimateIRCD is crap. no offence. It is CRAP. I'll give you an example | |
| 115 | </I>><i> why. | |
| 116 | </I>><i> > >try doing a /lusers request. You will get BOLD in certain areas, and | |
| 117 | </I>><i> > >underlined text, etc. Many IRC Clients (old ones especially) do not | |
| 118 | </I>><i> support | |
| 119 | </I>><i> > >colour, bold, underlined, inversed, etc text formats. | |
| 120 | </I>><i> > >UnrealIRCD and UltimateIRCD both have too many usermodes. such as *, , | |
| 121 | </I>><i> etc. | |
| 122 | </I>><i> > >in clients such as mIRC, if you do a /whois on a user with one of those | |
| 123 | </I>><i> > >usermodes, you can't simply go over the channel name with your cursor | |
| 124 | </I>and | |
| 125 | ><i> > >double-click it, because mIRC was not designed for such "addons". | |
| 126 | </I>><i> > >UnrealIRCD has changed so many things, that half the services in the | |
| 127 | </I>><i> world | |
| 128 | </I>><i> > >do not work correctly with the newer versions, such as the Selene | |
| 129 | </I>><i> versions. | |
| 130 | </I>><i> > >Have you ever tried installing BOPM (blitzed open proxy monitor) on an | |
| 131 | </I>><i> > >Unreal IRCD server - it's mission impossible, all those patches? | |
| 132 | </I>><i> > >Yes, the coders have worked extra hard to get these extra un-necessary | |
| 133 | </I>><i> > >addons into the ircds, but think of it this way, how many IRCDs are | |
| 134 | </I>><i> there, | |
| 135 | </I>><i> > >and how many CLIENTS are there? The client coders have to do research | |
| 136 | </I>on | |
| 137 | ><i> the | |
| 138 | </I>><i> > >IRCDs and then edit the clients to suite them. This is un-necessary, in | |
| 139 | </I>><i> my | |
| 140 | </I>><i> > >opinion. But like you said, Dylan, each to his own. So those of you | |
| 141 | </I>><i> enjoying | |
| 142 | </I>><i> > >your 200 users on that little UnrealIRCD slow network(s), keep going - | |
| 143 | </I>I | |
| 144 | ><i> > >wish you many netsplits in the near future ;) | |
| 145 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 146 | </I>><i> > >--CyberDems | |
| 147 | </I>><i> > >irc.wwirc.za.org | |
| 148 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 149 | </I>><i> > >----- Original Message ----- | |
| 150 | </I>><i> > >From: "Dylan v.d Merwe" <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">dylanvdm at icon.co.za</A>> | |
| 151 | </I>><i> > >To: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">ircservices-coding at ircservices.za.net</A>> | |
| 152 | </I>><i> > >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 5:42 PM | |
| 153 | </I>><i> > >Subject: Re: [IRCServices Coding] operserv / akill | |
| 154 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 155 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 156 | </I>><i> > >> Going back to the Unreal ircd issue. I personally think everybody | |
| 157 | </I>looks | |
| 158 | ><i> > >for | |
| 159 | </I>><i> > >> different things to suit their own networks. I prefer Unreal over | |
| 160 | </I>><i> Bahamut | |
| 161 | </I>><i> > >> for example because it has more features, yet Bahamut is known to be | |
| 162 | </I>><i> very | |
| 163 | </I>><i> > >> good with large amounts of users. In my humble opinion the three main | |
| 164 | </I>><i> > >ircds | |
| 165 | </I>><i> > >> are very good for different situations and needs. Unreal is a very | |
| 166 | </I>good | |
| 167 | ><i> > >ircd | |
| 168 | </I>><i> > >> and has many unique features and suits my network. | |
| 169 | </I>><i> > >> Unreal, Bahamut and Ultimate ircds are each good in their own right, | |
| 170 | </I>><i> and | |
| 171 | </I>><i> > >if | |
| 172 | </I>><i> > >> there is a problem then why not discuss it on the coders mailing | |
| 173 | </I>list? | |
| 174 | ><i> I'm | |
| 175 | </I>><i> > >> not looking to be hammered by other people, as discussed while back | |
| 176 | </I>in | |
| 177 | ><i> > >> other topics, I'm just sharing my opinion. The coders have taken a | |
| 178 | </I>><i> great | |
| 179 | </I>><i> > >> deal of time and effort to develop something for us to use. It's the | |
| 180 | </I>><i> same | |
| 181 | </I>><i> > >as | |
| 182 | </I>><i> > >> services. Other packages are around but we choose ircservices because | |
| 183 | </I>><i> they | |
| 184 | </I>><i> > >> suit us. Others may not think so. | |
| 185 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 186 | </I>><i> > >> I congratulate each and every coder that makes something for us | |
| 187 | </I>because | |
| 188 | ><i> I | |
| 189 | </I>><i> > >> appreciate their effort. The Unreal, Bahamut and Ultimate coders (and | |
| 190 | </I>><i> > >> others) plus Andrew and other services coders deserve an applause for | |
| 191 | </I>><i> > >doing | |
| 192 | </I>><i> > >> all they have done for us. Without them our networks wouldn't be the | |
| 193 | </I>><i> same. | |
| 194 | </I>><i> > >> So instead of us giving criticism, lets help make them better by | |
| 195 | </I>giving | |
| 196 | ><i> > >> constructive comments. Everyone appreciates a pat on the back once in | |
| 197 | </I>a | |
| 198 | ><i> > >> while. | |
| 199 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 200 | </I>><i> > >> :-) | |
| 201 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 202 | </I>><i> > >> Dylan. | |
| 203 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 204 | </I>><i> > >> Network Administrator / EB Member | |
| 205 | </I>><i> > >> The Omega IRC Network | |
| 206 | </I>><i> > >> www.omega.org.za | |
| 207 | </I>><i> > >> irc.omega.org.za | |
| 208 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 209 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 210 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 211 | </I>><i> > >> ----- Original Message ----- | |
| 212 | </I>><i> > >> From: "Noam M." <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">noam_m at bezeqint.net</A>> | |
| 213 | </I>><i> > >> To: <<A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">ircservices-coding at ircservices.za.net</A>> | |
| 214 | </I>><i> > >> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:21 AM | |
| 215 | </I>><i> > >> Subject: Re: [IRCServices Coding] operserv / akill | |
| 216 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 217 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 218 | </I>><i> > >> > are you suggesting a self respecting 3000+ user network would use | |
| 219 | </I>><i> unreal | |
| 220 | </I>><i> > >> as | |
| 221 | </I>><i> > >> > an ircd? | |
| 222 | </I>><i> > >> > | |
| 223 | </I>><i> > >> > | |
| 224 | </I>><i> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
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| 226 | </I>><i> > >> > <A HREF="http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding">http://www.ircservices.za.net/mailman/listinfo/ircservices-coding</A> | |
| 227 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 228 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 229 | </I>><i> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
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| 232 | </I>><i> > >> | |
| 233 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 234 | </I>><i> > > | |
| 235 | </I>><i> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ | |
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